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From João Peixoto <joao.harti...@gmail.com>
Subject Re: What purpose serves the repartition topic?
Date Wed, 17 May 2017 00:40:55 GMT
Your explanation makes sense. If I understood correctly it means that one
stream thread can actually generate records that will be aggregated in a
different thread, based on the new partitioning.

I didn't think of that case, which now makes more sense.
In my particular case the keys just get appended with some extra
information, so I know there is no need for repartitioning. E.g. "mykey" >
selectKey > "mykey:currentHour" (just an example, I'm not doing windowed
operations).

The processor API is always a possibility, this is not causing any
performance issues whatsoever. Our Kafka Brokers do not allow automatic
creation of topics so I actually need to request the creation of these
internal topics. I know it is not recommended as the naming convention is
not guaranteed to remain the same in future releases, but the security
configuration there is not final as of now.

Thanks for the info

On Tue, May 16, 2017 at 5:28 PM Matthias J. Sax <matthias@confluent.io>
wrote:

> João,
>
> in your example, k.toUpperCase() does break partitioning. Assume you
> have two records <a,5> and <A,10> -- both do have different keys and
> might be contained in different partitions. After you do a selectKey(),
> both do have the same key. In order to compute the aggregation
> correctly, it is required to re-partition the data to make sure that
> both records <A,5> and <A,10> are processed together. Otherwise, the
> aggregation result would be incorrect.
>
> If and only if you know, that all key are in lowercase (or all keys are
> in uppercase), the re-partitioning would not be required. But Streams
> cannot know this and thus conservatively does re-partition to ensure
> correctness.
>
> Note, that the `toUpperCase()` would not make sense if all keys are in
> upper case already. Furthermore, if all keys are in lower case, you can
> compute the aggregation on the lower case keys directly and convert the
> keys of the result into upper case -- this would allow you to avoid the
> re-partitioning topic.
>
> Does this make sense?
>
> In general, you should use `selectKey()`, `map()` etc only if you need
> to set a new key and thus break partitioning. For you don't modify the
> key, you should use `mapValues()` for example.
>
>
> Nevertheless, there are still some cases, for which the actual key must
> be modified before a key-based operation and user wants to suppress
> re-partitioning as she knows that partitioning is preserved (cf.
> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/KAFKA-4835). This is currently not
> supported at DSL level. However, you could fall back to Processor API if
> this is really critical. In general, it seems to be a corner case
> optimization though.
>
>
>
> -Matthias
>
>
> On 5/16/17 4:44 PM, João Peixoto wrote:
> > Certain operations require a repartition topic, such as "selectKey" or
> > "map". What purpose serves this repartition topic?
> >
> > Sample record: {"key": "a", ...}
> >
> > Stream: source.selectKey((k, v) -> KeyValue.pair(k.toUpperCase(),
> > v)).groupByKey() //...
> >
> > From my understanding, the repartition topic will guarantee that if we
> are
> > reading from partition N, the new key will be written to the same
> partition
> > N on the repartition topic, which allows the stream task to always handle
> > the same partition number all the way.
> >
> > This seems relevant if the topology above is followed by:
> > /*...*/.toStream().leftJoin(kTable) //...
> > We are still processing the same partition number. If the source stream
> and
> > the kTable are co-partitioned, so will be the repartition topic.
> >
> > However in cases where there are no other operations in the topology like
> > "joins", that repartition topic seems useless.
> >
> > There's a thread on this subject
> > <
> http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/kafka-users/201705.mbox/%3CCAJikTEUHR=r0ika6vLF_y+QaJXg8f_Q19og_-s+Q-gozPqBgEw@mail.gmail.com%3E
> >,
> > specific to topics with one partition only. The argument there is that
> > repartition does not make sense on a topic with 1 partition only.
> However,
> > even if you have multiple partitions but never join with anything else,
> it
> > may not make sense for the reasons above.
> >
>
>

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