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From Guillaume Nodet <gno...@gmail.com>
Subject Re: Karaf first birthday concall minute notes
Date Fri, 17 Jun 2011 13:23:55 GMT
On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 14:39, Jamie G. <jamie.goodyear@gmail.com> wrote:
> Good morning all,
>
> It was really nice getting to put voices to the names here on IRC
> yesterday. I think having these community conference calls are a great
> way to bring our global team together :)
>
> Jean-Baptiste, the meeting notes look good. I really like the idea of
> having these calls regularly every 2 or 3 months.
>
> As to scalate...
>
> As a mechanism to produce the manuals I'm fine with its usage.
>
> As a mechanism to produce our website I've had several issues, and
> quite frankly just do my best to get past them with copious amounts of
> help over IRC from community members. To be honest, updating a wiki or
> scalate site requires the contributor to learn some amount of a
> framework - wikis being common lowers the bar in general while scalate
> requires something of an investment of time (not that its huge). I
> think what slows or stops a new user from jumping into altering the
> website (contributing a patch) is that hitting scalate for the first
> time it may appear to be more daunting than it is... it definitely is
> more work to do, requiring more touch time to get things all together
> (just my experience). Perhaps the solution is to create a tutorial on
> how to update the site, that explicitly shows a user where to get the
> code, how to build/test it, and where to create the JIRA & attach
> their patch. Another tutorial should also be made to explain how the
> karaf site it put together; I know that during each release I spend
> far too much time trying to find all the places I need to update or
> append to in the source, vs the old just add page where I want it on
> the wiki site (perhaps there is a better way I am unfamiliar with, if
> there is please let me know).

Yeah, you're right.  We should have a web page that can be used as a
tutorial for updating the web site.

>
> Setting up a nightly CI build to deploy the website nightly would help
> keep the site more up to date with recent commits. I have to agree
> with Christian that updates to the website have been slow getting into
> production. I know from my experience setting up to update our webpage
> took a bit of messing around, so not having to do that would be a
> boost to productivity. This being said do we have a username/password
> combo that we can leave on the CI box? The current setup requires
> committer credentials to upload/deploy the site, perhaps infra has an
> account such as this already created though - we should find out from
> them if something like that is available.

Good point.  As a work around, a small cron job would do the trick,
but CI would be way better if possible.

>
> Cheers,
> Jamie
>
> On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 9:12 AM, Guillaume Nodet <gnodet@gmail.com> wrote:
>> The setup is slightly different as we have two web sites, one for the
>> manuals which is versioned and one for the main web site which isn't.
>> Things such as committers list, board reports and such aren't really
>> tied to a release schedule imho.
>>
>> On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 13:38, James Strachan <james@fusesource.com> wrote:
>>> BTW we found on the Scalate project we wanted 2 continuous website
>>> builds; the current production site branch (i.e. docs for the last
>>> major release); so the thing to make http://karaf.apache.org/. Then a
>>> continuous build of the new version (trunk);
>>> http://karaf.apache.org/versions/3.0-SNAPSHOT (or whatever).
>>>
>>> Then folks can update the current production website in one branch; or
>>> update what will be the next major release (which may be months away);
>>> but folks can still view/read the docs for trunk on the website if
>>> they want.
>>>
>>> Also when a release is made, the docs are deployed to a fixed area:
>>> http://karaf.apache.org/versions/2.2.3/ or whatever. Then you've just
>>> gotta maintain the http://karaf.apache.org/versions/index.html page to
>>> link to the various available versions etc.
>>>
>>>
>>> On 17 June 2011 12:28, James Strachan <james@fusesource.com> wrote:
>>>> On 17 June 2011 12:16, Christian Schneider <chris@die-schneider.net>
wrote:
>>>>> Am 17.06.2011 12:53, schrieb Guillaume Nodet:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Over the last 5 years, I've rarely seen people contributing a lot
to
>>>>>> the doc without being or becoming committers.
>>>>>> I don't want to change a technical decision based on the fact that
>>>>>> people *might* need something, but rather what people actually need.
>>>>>> You are a committer, so you can access / modify the documentation
>>>>>> without any problems.  So what are your real problems with the current
>>>>>> solution ?  We can easily set up nightly uploads or even an hourly
>>>>>> cron job (though given the change rate, i think a nightly one should
>>>>>> be sufficient).   If you need an editor, you always find some software
>>>>>> I think such as
>>>>>> http://www.labnol.org/software/wysiwyg-wiki-editor/18062/ though
I
>>>>>> tend to use the "mvn jetty:run" which works quite well as you can
see
>>>>>> your changes immediately.
>>>>>
>>>>> For me as a committer now it is ok. I also do not have problems with
editing
>>>>> wiki syntax text files by hand. After reading all the comments I think
that
>>>>> the solution is good for now. I just fear that we might not really attract
>>>>> people to help. But you are right people who just work on the documentation
>>>>> are rare anyway.
>>>>>
>>>>> It would be great if we could establish an automatic update of the website
>>>>> for trunk and the current production branch. Ideal would be a script
like in
>>>>> jenkins that only fires when there are real changes then it can be run
in
>>>>> very short cycles.
>>>>
>>>> Its really no different from a regular continuous integration build
>>>> really; building & deploying the website is just a different mvn
>>>> plugin so its like doing snapshot deploy builds.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Btw. How about using jenkins to update the website? The
>>>>> update just has to be callable from maven and we have to authenticate
in
>>>>> some way. Jenkins would also allow to track when and why updates have
beem
>>>>> done.
>>>>
>>>> We've been doing this on the Scalate project for a while btw; its just
>>>> a matter of setting up a jenkins build in the right branch and using a
>>>> profile in the maven build to do the deploy of the website project (as
>>>> you probably don't want other builds deploying the website by
>>>> default).
>>>>
>>>> This kinda thing does the trick in the website pom...
>>>>
>>>>      <plugin>
>>>>        <groupId>org.fusesource.scalate</groupId>
>>>>        <artifactId>maven-scalate-plugin</artifactId>
>>>>        <version>${project.version}</version>
>>>>        <configuration>
>>>>
>>>>          <remoteServerId>people.apache.org</remoteServerId>
>>>>
>>>>           <!-- server stuff here - scp or dav or whatnot... -->
>>>>           <!-- TODO fixme - i just made this up .... --->
>>>>          <remoteServerUrl>scp:people.apache.org:/www/karaf.apache.org/versions/${project.version}</remoteServerUrl>
>>>>        </configuration>
>>>>        <executions>
>>>>          <execution>
>>>>            <id>sitegen</id>
>>>>            <goals>
>>>>              <goal>sitegen</goal>
>>>>            </goals>
>>>>            <phase>package</phase>
>>>>          </execution>
>>>>          <execution>
>>>>            <id>deploy</id>
>>>>            <goals>
>>>>              <goal>deploy</goal>
>>>>            </goals>
>>>>            <phase>deploy</phase>
>>>>          </execution>
>>>>        </executions>
>>>>      </plugin>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> James
>>>> -------
>>>> FuseSource
>>>> Email: james@fusesource.com
>>>> Web: http://fusesource.com
>>>> Twitter: jstrachan, fusenews
>>>> Blog: http://macstrac.blogspot.com/
>>>>
>>>> Open Source Integration and Messaging
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> James
>>> -------
>>> FuseSource
>>> Email: james@fusesource.com
>>> Web: http://fusesource.com
>>> Twitter: jstrachan, fusenews
>>> Blog: http://macstrac.blogspot.com/
>>>
>>> Open Source Integration and Messaging
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> ------------------------
>> Guillaume Nodet
>> ------------------------
>> Blog: http://gnodet.blogspot.com/
>> ------------------------
>> Open Source SOA
>> http://fusesource.com
>>
>



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