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From Andreas Pieber <anpie...@gmail.com>
Subject Re: Karaf 2.2.3 and Camel 2.8.0
Date Mon, 05 Sep 2011 09:54:51 GMT
I've updated https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/KARAF-201<https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/KARAF-201?focusedCommentId=13097085#comment-13097085>
that
we do not loose track of all ideas; others are also welcomed to add their
ideas :-)

Kind regards,
Andreas

On Mon, Sep 5, 2011 at 11:43, Jean-Baptiste Onofré <jb@nanthrax.net> wrote:

> All ideas are welcome, the roadmap is here to be updated ;)
>
> Regards
> JB
>
>
> On 09/05/2011 11:35 AM, Andreas Pieber wrote:
>
>> It is, but it has also one disadvantage. The echo would print every time
>> the
>> feature is installed which is also during karaf startup at a customer. And
>> I
>> don't think that they would like to see this message each time. I think we
>> also have to add a switch to do things in those feature-scripts based on
>> the
>> "surrounding". If they are installed via features.cfg or directly via the
>> console.
>>
>> Kind regards,
>> Andreas
>>
>> On Mon, Sep 5, 2011 at 11:23, Achim Nierbeck<bcanhome@googlemail.**com<bcanhome@googlemail.com>
>> >wrote:
>>
>>  yeah like that idea, it's a big red bullet ;)
>>>
>>> Regards, Achim
>>>
>>> 2011/9/5 Jean-Baptiste Onofré<jb@nanthrax.net>:
>>>
>>>> Unfortunately, for now, I don't see other way to "inform" the users.
>>>>
>>>> We have a new feature in the TODO list to handle this kind of situation:
>>>>
>>> the
>>>
>>>> feature trigger. The feature trigger allows us to call commands. In this
>>>> case, you would call:
>>>>
>>>> echo "Be sure to install the ORM implementation before the spring-orm
>>>> feature"
>>>>
>>>> But it's not yet available.
>>>>
>>>> Regards
>>>> JB
>>>>
>>>> On 09/05/2011 11:13 AM, Andreas Pieber wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm not convinced that ppl read faq sections, but this would be a good
>>>>> location otherwise
>>>>>
>>>>> Kind regards Andreas
>>>>> On Sep 5, 2011 11:09 AM, "Achim Nierbeck"<bcanhome@googlemail.**com<bcanhome@googlemail.com>
>>>>> >
>>>>>
>>>>  wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>>> Hi JB,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm not sure that just setting a "note" is sufficient, we should
more
>>>>>> "warn" about it, cause this will definitely
>>>>>> pop up as "bug". So maybe it could be placed somewhere "prominent"
:)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> regards, Achim
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 2011/9/5 Jean-Baptiste Onofré<jb@nanthrax.net>:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hi Achim,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I added the spring-orm feature. We have to document that the
users
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> have
>>>
>>>>
>>>>> to
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> install the ORM implementation before the spring-orm feature.
>>>>>>> In the same area, I also added a spring-struts feature. To avoid
to
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> "force"
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> the Struts version, the users have to choose and install the
Struts
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> bundle
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> before installing the spring-struts feature.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I think that just a note in the Karaf user guide is enough.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Regards
>>>>>>> JB
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 09/05/2011 10:58 AM, Achim Nierbeck wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hi JB,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I'm +1 for all of these,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> just a little reminder that we need to think about how to
handle the
>>>>>>>> Spring-ORM Bundle correctly.
>>>>>>>> The issue with the spring-orm bundle is that it imports all
kind of
>>>>>>>> orm implementations like Hibernate, if those optional dependencies
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> are
>>>
>>>> installed after the ORM bundle those Packages can not be seen.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> regards, Achim
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 2011/9/5 Freeman Fang<freeman.fang@gmail.com>:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Sounds good to me.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Regards
>>>>>>>>> Freeman
>>>>>>>>> On 2011-9-5, at 上午1:03, Jean-Baptiste Onofré wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>  I got your point but:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> - for a general point of view, I still think that
Karaf should
>>>>>>>>>> provide
>>>>>>>>>> all
>>>>>>>>>> features for all Spring version, else, it means that
we can't
>>>>>>>>>> Sound
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> the
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> spring version used by the others applications like
Camel or CXF
>>>>>>>>>> - we should have named Karaf 2.3.0 in place of 2.2.3
to address
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> this
>>>
>>>> kind
>>>>>>>>>> of major update. As reminder, we update to Spring
3.0.6 and add
>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>> spring-jms feature to be able to install/support
CXF 2.5.0.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> What we can do:
>>>>>>>>>> - in Karaf 2.2.4, rollback to Spring 3.0.5 and so
be sure that
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Camel
>>>
>>>> 2.8.x
>>>>>>>>>> and CXF 2.4.x are supported.
>>>>>>>>>> - create a Karaf 2.3.x branch (waiting for the 3.0.0),
which is
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> exactly
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> like 2.2.x but including Spring 3.0.6.RELEASE (I
have to talk with
>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>> Karaf
>>>>>>>>>> team about that, and I put it in copy)
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> WDYT ?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Regards
>>>>>>>>>> JB
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On 09/04/2011 01:52 PM, Freeman Fang wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Hi JB,
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> To be honest I'm a lit bit concern about this
solution.
>>>>>>>>>>> If Karaf 2.2.4 ship spring 3.0.6 anyway, even
it cover all spring
>>>>>>>>>>> related bundles, and camel can refer those spring
features using
>>>>>>>>>>> version
>>>>>>>>>>> range(it might be ok during resolve, but don't
forget cxf 2.4.2
>>>>>>>>>>> features.xml still have srping-jms(3.0.5) feature
directly and
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> it's
>>>
>>>>
>>>>> not
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> from karaf, :-)), however it still means the
OSGi container
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> provided
>>>
>>>> spring version is 3.0.6, but the cxf(2.4.2) and camel(2.8.1) which
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> will
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> be running in this container are still with spring
3.0.5, it
>>>>>>>>>>> MIGHT
>>>>>>>>>>> be
>>>>>>>>>>> ok
>>>>>>>>>>> with spring 3.0.6 but we can't be that sure(as
spring is a kind
>>>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>>> fundamental libs for lots of other projects),
right?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> So I suggest either karaf 2.2.4 revert to spring
3.0.5(lit bit
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> weird
>>>
>>>>
>>>>> to
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> me) or camel 2.8.1 should stay with karaf 2.2.2.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Regards
>>>>>>>>>>> Freeman
>>>>>>>>>>> On 2011-9-4, at 下午3:30, Jean-Baptiste Onofré
wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>  Hi Claus,
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm going to work on Karaf Spring features
today and tomorrow
>>>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> test
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> it with Camel, CXF and ActiveMQ.
>>>>>>>>>>>> The 2.2.4 could contain only this and one
other issue (about
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> JMX).
>>>
>>>>
>>>>> So
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> it could be ready by tomorrow evening, and
we can cut off the
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> release
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> on Tuesday.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> So I think that we could be inline for Camel
2.8.1.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Is it OK for you ?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Regards
>>>>>>>>>>>> JB
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 09/04/2011 09:24 AM, Claus Ibsen wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, Sep 4, 2011 at 8:29 AM, Jean-Baptiste
Onofré<
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> jb@nanthrax.net>
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Achim and all,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I propose:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1. to cover all Spring bundles in
different Karaf spring
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> features
>>>
>>>> including
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> spring-tx
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2. release Karaf 2.2.4 soon with
this change
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 3. update Camel features descriptor
to use the Karaf spring-tx
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> features (and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> eventually others, I have to check)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 4. release Camel 2.8.1
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> How soon can Karaf 2.2.4 be released?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Would it speed up if the release was
based on the 2.2.3 tags,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>
>>>> either did
>>>>>>>>>>>>> - a) revert back to Spring 3.0.5
>>>>>>>>>>>>> - b) bullet #1 above from Jean
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> eg so there are no other changes and
thus a confort in the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> community
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> that Karaf 2.2.4 is a patch release with
this single fix to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> ensure
>>>
>>>> using Karaf + Camel runs smoothly. As its to be used for the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> next
>>>
>>>>
>>>>> SMX
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> release as well.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>  WDYT ?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Regards
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> JB
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 09/03/2011 09:38 PM, Achim Nierbeck
wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi JB,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm +1 on that one, often I was
missing the spring-tx feature
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in
>>>
>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> first place :)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> regards, Achim
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Am 03.09.2011 18:54, schrieb
Jean-Baptiste Onofré:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I checked the issue and the
problem is about the spring-tx
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> bundle.
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> spring-tx bundle is not installed
by a Karaf features, the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> first
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> feature which install it
is camel-jms (part of the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> camel-spring).
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That's why we have a bundle
version mismatch between the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> spring
>>>
>>>> bundles provides by Karaf spring* features, and the one
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> provided
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> by
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Camel features.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I think that it makes sense
that Karaf provides all Spring*
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> features,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> convering all spring bundle,
and Camel just "uses" it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm going to discuss with
the team to see how we move.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Regards
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> JB
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 09/02/2011 10:50 PM, mgardiner
wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I have recently tried
using Karaf 2.2.3 which has just
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> updated
>>>
>>>>
>>>>> to
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> use
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Spring
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 3.0.6.RELEASE and we
are now getting conflicts in camel-jms
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> 2.8.0
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> because
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> two versions of spring
are available. With a new camel
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> release
>>>
>>>> underway are
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you considering upgrading
camel to spring 3.0.6.RELEASE?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Here's the output
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Error executing command:
Could not start bundle
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mvn:org.apache.camel/camel-**jms/2.8.0
in feature(s)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> camel-jms-2.8.0:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Unable
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to resolve module org.apache.camel.camel-jms
[88.0] because
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it
>>>
>>>>
>>>>> is
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> exposed to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> package 'org.springframework.util'
from
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> org.springframework.core
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [82.0] and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> org.springframework.core
[43.0] via two dependency chains.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Chain 1:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> org.apache.camel.camel-jms
[88.0]
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> import:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>  (&(package=org.**springframework.util)(version>**
>>>>> =3.0.0)(!(version>=4.0.0)))
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> |
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> export: package=org.springframework.**util
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> org.springframework.core
[82.0]
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Chain 2:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> org.apache.camel.camel-jms
[88.0]
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> import:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>  (&(package=org.apache.camel.**impl)(version>=2.8.0)(!(**
>>>>> version>=2.9.0)))
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> |
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> export: package=org.apache.camel.impl;
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> uses:=org.springframework.jmx.**export.annotation
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> org.apache.camel.camel-core
[80.0]
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> import:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>  (&(package=org.**springframework.jmx.export.**
>>> annotation)(version>=3.0.0)(!(**version>=4.0.0)))
>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> |
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> export: package=org.springframework.**
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> jmx.export.annotation;
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> uses:=org.springframework.aop.**target
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> org.springframework.context
[48.0]
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> import:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>  (&(package=org.**springframework.aop.target)(**
>>> version>=3.0.6)(!(version>=3.**0.7)))
>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> |
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> export: package=org.springframework.**aop.target;
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> uses:=org.springframework.core
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> org.springframework.aop
[47.0]
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> import:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>  (&(package=org.**springframework.core)(version>**
>>>>> =3.0.6)(!(version>=3.0.7)))
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> |
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> export: package=org.springframework.**core;
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> uses:=org.springframework.util
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> export: package=org.springframework.**util
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> org.springframework.core
[43.0]
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>  http://camel.465427.n5.nabble.**com/Karaf-2-2-3-and-Camel-2-8-**
>>> 0-tp4763828p4763828.html<http://camel.465427.n5.nabble.com/Karaf-2-2-3-and-Camel-2-8-0-tp4763828p4763828.html>
>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent from the Camel -
Users mailing list archive at
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Nabble.com.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jean-Baptiste Onofré
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> jbonofre@apache.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://blog.nanthrax.net
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Talend - http://www.talend.com
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>> Jean-Baptiste Onofré
>>>>>>>>>>>> jbonofre@apache.org
>>>>>>>>>>>> http://blog.nanthrax.net
>>>>>>>>>>>> Talend - http://www.talend.com
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> ------------------------------**---------------
>>>>>>>>>>> Freeman Fang
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> FuseSource
>>>>>>>>>>> Email:ffang@fusesource.com
>>>>>>>>>>> Web: fusesource.com
>>>>>>>>>>> Twitter: freemanfang
>>>>>>>>>>> Blog: http://freemanfang.blogspot.**com<http://freemanfang.blogspot.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>> Jean-Baptiste Onofré
>>>>>>>>>> jbonofre@apache.org
>>>>>>>>>> http://blog.nanthrax.net
>>>>>>>>>> Talend - http://www.talend.com
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> ------------------------------**---------------
>>>>>>>>> Freeman Fang
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> FuseSource
>>>>>>>>> Email:ffang@fusesource.com
>>>>>>>>> Web: fusesource.com
>>>>>>>>> Twitter: freemanfang
>>>>>>>>> Blog: http://freemanfang.blogspot.**com<http://freemanfang.blogspot.com>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> Jean-Baptiste Onofré
>>>>>>> jbonofre@apache.org
>>>>>>> http://blog.nanthrax.net
>>>>>>> Talend - http://www.talend.com
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> *Achim Nierbeck*
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Apache Karaf<http://karaf.apache.org/**>   Committer& 
 PMC
>>>>>> OPS4J Pax Web<http://wiki.ops4j.org/**display/paxweb/Pax+Web/<http://wiki.ops4j.org/display/paxweb/Pax+Web/>
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> Committer&   Project Lead
>>>>>> blog<http://notizblog.**nierbeck.de/ <http://notizblog.nierbeck.de/>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Jean-Baptiste Onofré
>>>> jbonofre@apache.org
>>>> http://blog.nanthrax.net
>>>> Talend - http://www.talend.com
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> --
>>> *Achim Nierbeck*
>>>
>>>
>>> Apache Karaf<http://karaf.apache.org/**>  Committer&  PMC
>>> OPS4J Pax Web<http://wiki.ops4j.org/**display/paxweb/Pax+Web/<http://wiki.ops4j.org/display/paxweb/Pax+Web/>
>>> >
>>> Committer&  Project Lead
>>> blog<http://notizblog.**nierbeck.de/ <http://notizblog.nierbeck.de/>>
>>>
>>>
>>
> --
> Jean-Baptiste Onofré
> jbonofre@apache.org
> http://blog.nanthrax.net
> Talend - http://www.talend.com
>

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