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From Charles Moulliard <ch0...@gmail.com>
Subject Re: Apache Karaf 2.3.0 very close
Date Tue, 09 Oct 2012 12:06:25 GMT
Is it required to deliver Karaf 2.3.0 now or could we postpone it a few
days till we provide Spring 3.1 ?

On Tue, Oct 9, 2012 at 12:48 PM, Jamie G. <jamie.goodyear@gmail.com> wrote:

> My understanding that the spring31 feature would be an optional part
> of Karaf 2.3.
>
> As to Karaf 2.4 - other than spring 3.1 i think we need to start a
> separate thread to discuss that particular branch's major changes.
> Please note, we've added a 2.4.0 version to Jira so that issues for
> that future release can be recorded.
>
> Cheers,
> Jamie
>
> On Tue, Oct 9, 2012 at 8:12 AM, Christian Müller
> <christian.mueller@gmail.com> wrote:
> > I share most/all of the opinions.
> >
> > My additional 0,02$:
> > - If we have to release Karaf 2.3.0 today or in the next days, may be
> it's
> > safer to postpone the spring31 feature for Karaf 2.4.0/3.0.0. In this
> case,
> > Karaf 2.4.0 should be released in the next 2 - 5 weeks.
> > - If we can postpone Karaf 2.3.0 for 4 - 14 days, it would be great to
> > provide the spring31 feature in Karaf 2.3.0.
> >
> > Best,
> > Christian
> >
> > On Tue, Oct 9, 2012 at 11:19 AM, Jamie G. <jamie.goodyear@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> >> The dependencies table Achim was mentioning:
> >>
> >>
> http://karaf.apache.org/index/documentation/karaf-dependencies/karaf-deps-2.2.x.html
> >>
> >> On Tue, Oct 9, 2012 at 5:12 AM, Guillaume Nodet <gnodet@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >> > Fwiw, mina 2.0.7 is now available, so i'll update 2.3.x branch to it,
> >> > unless someone has already done it.
> >> >
> >> > On Tue, Oct 9, 2012 at 9:23 AM, Achim Nierbeck <
> bcanhome@googlemail.com
> >> >wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> I think a valid "workaround" would be to offer a spring31 feature,
> I'm
> >> >> quite sure
> >> >> we're able to extract that kind of feature from trunk ;)
> >> >>
> >> >> regarding the road-map proposal, yes this would be really helpful.
> >> >> I know we have a Matrix showing which version does contain which
> >> >> dependencies (@Jamie where is it located?)
> >> >> but somehow it's again a pain to find it.
> >> >>
> >> >> I think we need to redo our webpage desperately since not all
> >> >> information can be found easily and the menu
> >> >> doesn't necessarily relate to the content (e.g. the manual)
> >> >>
> >> >> regards, Achim
> >> >>
> >> >> 2012/10/9 Charles Moulliard <ch007m@gmail.com>:
> >> >> > Even if I understand the karaf position I completely agree about
> >> Claus's
> >> >> > remark to also have Spring 3.1 for Camel and others projects.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > What I would like to propose is that we create for Karaf/ServiceMix
> >> >> > projects a page containing a table of the different software used
> and
> >> >> have
> >> >> > a roadmap about them. This question is important not only for
> Spring
> >> >> > framework but also Pax, Aries, Felix, ... which are (re)packaged
> into
> >> >> > Karaf/ServiceMix
> >> >> > This will avoid that we discover a few days before the publication
> of
> >> a
> >> >> > release that we have miss something
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Just my 5€ cents.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > On Tue, Oct 9, 2012 at 8:19 AM, Claus Ibsen <claus.ibsen@gmail.com
> >
> >> >> wrote:
> >> >> >
> >> >> >> On Mon, Oct 8, 2012 at 7:30 PM, Daniel Kulp <dkulp@apache.org>
> >> wrote:
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > On Oct 8, 2012, at 1:08 PM, Jean-Baptiste Onofré <
> jb@nanthrax.net>
> >> >> >> wrote:
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> Agree Claus, but Camel is not the only application
running on
> >> Karaf.
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> So, we have to think about "others projects" as well.
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> I have no problem to upgrade to Spring 3.1.x but
later (why not
> >> >> imagine
> >> >> >> a Karaf 2.4.x for that, it could be a good indicator), and
propose
> >> both
> >> >> >> Spring 3.0 and 3.1 in Karaf 2.3.0 (depending of the impact,
that I
> >> gonna
> >> >> >> test tonight).
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > I agree with that.    I know CXF has had very little
testing
> with
> >> >> Spring
> >> >> >> 3.1.x.    I would definitely prefer keeping on 3.0.7 for Karaf
2.3
> >> and
> >> >> >> think about that for 2.4.
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > I also agree that this is way to close to "release" to
flip out
> a
> >> >> major
> >> >> >> component like spring.   Maybe a month ago, but not now.
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Yeah I can understand the deadline issue as well.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> But its a shame that the new shiny Karaf 2.3.0 comes out of
the
> box
> >> >> >> with the old Spring 3.0.7 from Dec 2011. And there has not
been
> any
> >> >> >> new releases of Spring 3.0.x since.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> It would be cool if it was possible to provide an easy way
for
> people
> >> >> >> to switch Karaf to offer Spring 3.1.
> >> >> >> Maybe that requires to offer a spring31 feature, and an easy
way
> for
> >> >> >> people to configure Karaf to use that.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> At Camel we have a CI job that tests Camel with Spring 3.1.
The
> >> >> >> upgrade for Camel has been painless.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > Dan
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> Regards
> >> >> >> >> JB
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> On 10/08/2012 06:48 PM, Claus Ibsen wrote:
> >> >> >> >>> On Mon, Oct 8, 2012 at 6:44 PM, Jean-Baptiste
Onofré <
> >> >> jb@nanthrax.net>
> >> >> >> wrote:
> >> >> >> >>>> Camel 2.10.x uses Spring 3.0.7 for now, for
we are "aligned"
> >> with
> >> >> >> Camel
> >> >> >> >>>> 2.10.
> >> >> >> >>>>
> >> >> >> >>>> Does it make sense to update to Spring 3.1.x
(for future
> Camel
> >> >> version
> >> >> >> >>>> maybe) ?
> >> >> >> >>>>
> >> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >> >>> Well Camel 2.10 supports both Spring 3.0.x and
3.1.x. And we
> are
> >> >> >> >>> frankly only holding back because of Karaf.
> >> >> >> >>> As when people deploy Camel in Karaf they inherit
the spring
> from
> >> >> >> Karaf.
> >> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >> >>> People in the community would like to use Spring
3.1.x as its
> >> been
> >> >> out
> >> >> >> >>> since December 2011.
> >> >> >> >>> And its the stable release path where they cut
new releases.
> >> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >> >>>>
> >> >> >> >>>> Regards
> >> >> >> >>>> JB
> >> >> >> >>>>
> >> >> >> >>>> On 10/08/2012 05:55 PM, Claus Ibsen wrote:
> >> >> >> >>>>>
> >> >> >> >>>>> On Mon, Oct 8, 2012 at 5:45 PM, Jamie
G. <
> >> >> jamie.goodyear@gmail.com>
> >> >> >> wrote:
> >> >> >> >>>>>>
> >> >> >> >>>>>> Hi Claus,
> >> >> >> >>>>>>
> >> >> >> >>>>>>  From the Karaf 2.3.0 pom file:
> >> >> >> >>>>>> <spring.osgi.version>1.2.1</spring.osgi.version>
> >> >> >> >>>>>> <spring2.version>2.5.6.SEC03</spring2.version>
> >> >> >> >>>>>> <spring.version>3.0.7.RELEASE</spring.version>
> >> >> >> >>>>>>
> >> >> >> >>>>>
> >> >> >> >>>>> Crap I think you guys shoulder consider
switching to the
> 3.1.2
> >> >> >> release
> >> >> >> >>>>> of Spring.
> >> >> >> >>>>> As well Jetty 7.6.7, so people have the
latest stable
> release
> >> of
> >> >> >> these
> >> >> >> >>>>> 2 important pieces.
> >> >> >> >>>>>
> >> >> >> >>>>>
> >> >> >> >>>>>
> >> >> >> >>>>>
> >> >> >> >>>>>> Cheers,
> >> >> >> >>>>>> Jamie
> >> >> >> >>>>>>
> >> >> >> >>>>>> On Mon, Oct 8, 2012 at 1:09 PM, Claus
Ibsen <
> >> >> claus.ibsen@gmail.com>
> >> >> >> >>>>>> wrote:
> >> >> >> >>>>>>>
> >> >> >> >>>>>>> Hi
> >> >> >> >>>>>>>
> >> >> >> >>>>>>> What Spring version does Karaf
2.3.0 come with out of the
> >> box?
> >> >> >> 3.0.x
> >> >> >> >>>>>>> or the newer 3.1.x ?
> >> >> >> >>>>>>>
> >> >> >> >>>>>>> On Mon, Oct 8, 2012 at 10:53
AM, Jamie G. <
> >> >> >> jamie.goodyear@gmail.com>
> >> >> >> >>>>>>> wrote:
> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>
> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> I'm always ready!
> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>
> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> Cheers,
> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> Jamie
> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>
> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> On Mon, Oct 8, 2012 at 5:08
AM, jb@nanthrax.net <
> >> >> jb@nanthrax.net>
> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> wrote:
> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>
> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>> Great, thanks a lot !
> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>
> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>> --
> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>> Jean-Baptiste Onofré
> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>> jbonofre@apache.org
> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>> http://blog.nanthrax.net
> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>> Talend - http://wwx.talend.com
> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>
> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>> ----- Reply message -----
> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>> From: "Andreas Pieber"
<anpieber@gmail.com>
> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>> To: <dev@karaf.apache.org>
> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>> Subject: Apache Karaf
2.3.0 very close
> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>> Date: Mon, Oct 8, 2012
9:17 am
> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>
> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>
> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>> Hey,
> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>
> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>> On Mon, Oct 8, 2012 at
7:46 AM, Jean-Baptiste Onofré <
> >> >> >> jb@nanthrax.net>
> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>> wrote:
> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>
> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> @Andreas, could you
take a look on KARAF-1878 and
> >> KARAF-1752
> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> (assigned to
> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> you) ? If you are
busy today, I think we can postpone
> to
> >> >> 2.3.1.
> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>
> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>
> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>> I wanted to keep KARAF-1878
opened for review till
> tonight;
> >> >> I'll
> >> >> >> apply
> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>> afterwards. I'll also
apply KARAF-1752 then.
> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>
> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>> Kind regards,
> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>> Andreas
> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>
> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>
> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> Thanks all guys,
> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> Regards
> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> JB
> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> --
> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> Jean-Baptiste Onofré
> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> jbonofre@apache.org
> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> http://blog.nanthrax.net
> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> Talend - http://www.talend.com
> >> >> >> >>>>>>>
> >> >> >> >>>>>>>
> >> >> >> >>>>>>>
> >> >> >> >>>>>>>
> >> >> >> >>>>>>> --
> >> >> >> >>>>>>> Claus Ibsen
> >> >> >> >>>>>>> -----------------
> >> >> >> >>>>>>> Red Hat, Inc.
> >> >> >> >>>>>>> FuseSource is now part of Red
Hat
> >> >> >> >>>>>>> Email: cibsen@redhat.com
> >> >> >> >>>>>>> Web: http://fusesource.com
> >> >> >> >>>>>>> Twitter: davsclaus
> >> >> >> >>>>>>> Blog: http://davsclaus.com
> >> >> >> >>>>>>> Author of Camel in Action: http://www.manning.com/ibsen
> >> >> >> >>>>>
> >> >> >> >>>>>
> >> >> >> >>>>>
> >> >> >> >>>>>
> >> >> >> >>>>
> >> >> >> >>>> --
> >> >> >> >>>> Jean-Baptiste Onofré
> >> >> >> >>>> jbonofre@apache.org
> >> >> >> >>>> http://blog.nanthrax.net
> >> >> >> >>>> Talend - http://www.talend.com
> >> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> --
> >> >> >> >> Jean-Baptiste Onofré
> >> >> >> >> jbonofre@apache.org
> >> >> >> >> http://blog.nanthrax.net
> >> >> >> >> Talend - http://www.talend.com
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > --
> >> >> >> > Daniel Kulp
> >> >> >> > dkulp@apache.org - http://dankulp.com/blog
> >> >> >> > Talend Community Coder - http://coders.talend.com
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> --
> >> >> >> Claus Ibsen
> >> >> >> -----------------
> >> >> >> Red Hat, Inc.
> >> >> >> FuseSource is now part of Red Hat
> >> >> >> Email: cibsen@redhat.com
> >> >> >> Web: http://fusesource.com
> >> >> >> Twitter: davsclaus
> >> >> >> Blog: http://davsclaus.com
> >> >> >> Author of Camel in Action: http://www.manning.com/ibsen
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> > --
> >> >> > Charles Moulliard
> >> >> > Apache Committer / Sr. Enterprise Architect (RedHat)
> >> >> > Twitter : @cmoulliard | Blog : http://cmoulliard.blogspot.com
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> --
> >> >>
> >> >> Apache Karaf <http://karaf.apache.org/> Committer & PMC
> >> >> OPS4J Pax Web <http://wiki.ops4j.org/display/paxweb/Pax+Web/>
> >> >> Committer & Project Lead
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> Project
> >> >> Lead
> >> >> blog <http://notizblog.nierbeck.de/>
> >> >>
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > --
> >> > ------------------------
> >> > Guillaume Nodet
> >> > ------------------------
> >> > Blog: http://gnodet.blogspot.com/
> >> > ------------------------
> >> > FuseSource, Integration everywhere
> >> > http://fusesource.com
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> > --
>



-- 
Charles Moulliard
Apache Committer / Sr. Enterprise Architect (RedHat)
Twitter : @cmoulliard | Blog : http://cmoulliard.blogspot.com

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