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From Christian Müller <christian.muel...@gmail.com>
Subject Re: Apache Karaf 2.3.0 very close
Date Tue, 09 Oct 2012 10:42:55 GMT
I share most/all of the opinions.

My additional 0,02$:
- If we have to release Karaf 2.3.0 today or in the next days, may be it's
safer to postpone the spring31 feature for Karaf 2.4.0/3.0.0. In this case,
Karaf 2.4.0 should be released in the next 2 - 5 weeks.
- If we can postpone Karaf 2.3.0 for 4 - 14 days, it would be great to
provide the spring31 feature in Karaf 2.3.0.

Best,
Christian

On Tue, Oct 9, 2012 at 11:19 AM, Jamie G. <jamie.goodyear@gmail.com> wrote:

> The dependencies table Achim was mentioning:
>
> http://karaf.apache.org/index/documentation/karaf-dependencies/karaf-deps-2.2.x.html
>
> On Tue, Oct 9, 2012 at 5:12 AM, Guillaume Nodet <gnodet@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Fwiw, mina 2.0.7 is now available, so i'll update 2.3.x branch to it,
> > unless someone has already done it.
> >
> > On Tue, Oct 9, 2012 at 9:23 AM, Achim Nierbeck <bcanhome@googlemail.com
> >wrote:
> >
> >> I think a valid "workaround" would be to offer a spring31 feature, I'm
> >> quite sure
> >> we're able to extract that kind of feature from trunk ;)
> >>
> >> regarding the road-map proposal, yes this would be really helpful.
> >> I know we have a Matrix showing which version does contain which
> >> dependencies (@Jamie where is it located?)
> >> but somehow it's again a pain to find it.
> >>
> >> I think we need to redo our webpage desperately since not all
> >> information can be found easily and the menu
> >> doesn't necessarily relate to the content (e.g. the manual)
> >>
> >> regards, Achim
> >>
> >> 2012/10/9 Charles Moulliard <ch007m@gmail.com>:
> >> > Even if I understand the karaf position I completely agree about
> Claus's
> >> > remark to also have Spring 3.1 for Camel and others projects.
> >> >
> >> > What I would like to propose is that we create for Karaf/ServiceMix
> >> > projects a page containing a table of the different software used and
> >> have
> >> > a roadmap about them. This question is important not only for Spring
> >> > framework but also Pax, Aries, Felix, ... which are (re)packaged into
> >> > Karaf/ServiceMix
> >> > This will avoid that we discover a few days before the publication of
> a
> >> > release that we have miss something
> >> >
> >> > Just my 5€ cents.
> >> >
> >> > On Tue, Oct 9, 2012 at 8:19 AM, Claus Ibsen <claus.ibsen@gmail.com>
> >> wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> On Mon, Oct 8, 2012 at 7:30 PM, Daniel Kulp <dkulp@apache.org>
> wrote:
> >> >> >
> >> >> > On Oct 8, 2012, at 1:08 PM, Jean-Baptiste Onofré <jb@nanthrax.net>
> >> >> wrote:
> >> >> >
> >> >> >> Agree Claus, but Camel is not the only application running
on
> Karaf.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> So, we have to think about "others projects" as well.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> I have no problem to upgrade to Spring 3.1.x but later (why
not
> >> imagine
> >> >> a Karaf 2.4.x for that, it could be a good indicator), and propose
> both
> >> >> Spring 3.0 and 3.1 in Karaf 2.3.0 (depending of the impact, that I
> gonna
> >> >> test tonight).
> >> >> >
> >> >> > I agree with that.    I know CXF has had very little testing with
> >> Spring
> >> >> 3.1.x.    I would definitely prefer keeping on 3.0.7 for Karaf 2.3
> and
> >> >> think about that for 2.4.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > I also agree that this is way to close to "release" to flip out
a
> >> major
> >> >> component like spring.   Maybe a month ago, but not now.
> >> >> >
> >> >>
> >> >> Yeah I can understand the deadline issue as well.
> >> >>
> >> >> But its a shame that the new shiny Karaf 2.3.0 comes out of the box
> >> >> with the old Spring 3.0.7 from Dec 2011. And there has not been any
> >> >> new releases of Spring 3.0.x since.
> >> >>
> >> >> It would be cool if it was possible to provide an easy way for people
> >> >> to switch Karaf to offer Spring 3.1.
> >> >> Maybe that requires to offer a spring31 feature, and an easy way for
> >> >> people to configure Karaf to use that.
> >> >>
> >> >> At Camel we have a CI job that tests Camel with Spring 3.1. The
> >> >> upgrade for Camel has been painless.
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Dan
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Regards
> >> >> >> JB
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> On 10/08/2012 06:48 PM, Claus Ibsen wrote:
> >> >> >>> On Mon, Oct 8, 2012 at 6:44 PM, Jean-Baptiste Onofré
<
> >> jb@nanthrax.net>
> >> >> wrote:
> >> >> >>>> Camel 2.10.x uses Spring 3.0.7 for now, for we are
"aligned"
> with
> >> >> Camel
> >> >> >>>> 2.10.
> >> >> >>>>
> >> >> >>>> Does it make sense to update to Spring 3.1.x (for
future Camel
> >> version
> >> >> >>>> maybe) ?
> >> >> >>>>
> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >>> Well Camel 2.10 supports both Spring 3.0.x and 3.1.x.
And we are
> >> >> >>> frankly only holding back because of Karaf.
> >> >> >>> As when people deploy Camel in Karaf they inherit the
spring from
> >> >> Karaf.
> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >>> People in the community would like to use Spring 3.1.x
as its
> been
> >> out
> >> >> >>> since December 2011.
> >> >> >>> And its the stable release path where they cut new releases.
> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >>>>
> >> >> >>>> Regards
> >> >> >>>> JB
> >> >> >>>>
> >> >> >>>> On 10/08/2012 05:55 PM, Claus Ibsen wrote:
> >> >> >>>>>
> >> >> >>>>> On Mon, Oct 8, 2012 at 5:45 PM, Jamie G. <
> >> jamie.goodyear@gmail.com>
> >> >> wrote:
> >> >> >>>>>>
> >> >> >>>>>> Hi Claus,
> >> >> >>>>>>
> >> >> >>>>>>  From the Karaf 2.3.0 pom file:
> >> >> >>>>>> <spring.osgi.version>1.2.1</spring.osgi.version>
> >> >> >>>>>> <spring2.version>2.5.6.SEC03</spring2.version>
> >> >> >>>>>> <spring.version>3.0.7.RELEASE</spring.version>
> >> >> >>>>>>
> >> >> >>>>>
> >> >> >>>>> Crap I think you guys shoulder consider switching
to the 3.1.2
> >> >> release
> >> >> >>>>> of Spring.
> >> >> >>>>> As well Jetty 7.6.7, so people have the latest
stable release
> of
> >> >> these
> >> >> >>>>> 2 important pieces.
> >> >> >>>>>
> >> >> >>>>>
> >> >> >>>>>
> >> >> >>>>>
> >> >> >>>>>> Cheers,
> >> >> >>>>>> Jamie
> >> >> >>>>>>
> >> >> >>>>>> On Mon, Oct 8, 2012 at 1:09 PM, Claus Ibsen
<
> >> claus.ibsen@gmail.com>
> >> >> >>>>>> wrote:
> >> >> >>>>>>>
> >> >> >>>>>>> Hi
> >> >> >>>>>>>
> >> >> >>>>>>> What Spring version does Karaf 2.3.0 come
with out of the
> box?
> >> >> 3.0.x
> >> >> >>>>>>> or the newer 3.1.x ?
> >> >> >>>>>>>
> >> >> >>>>>>> On Mon, Oct 8, 2012 at 10:53 AM, Jamie
G. <
> >> >> jamie.goodyear@gmail.com>
> >> >> >>>>>>> wrote:
> >> >> >>>>>>>>
> >> >> >>>>>>>> I'm always ready!
> >> >> >>>>>>>>
> >> >> >>>>>>>> Cheers,
> >> >> >>>>>>>> Jamie
> >> >> >>>>>>>>
> >> >> >>>>>>>> On Mon, Oct 8, 2012 at 5:08 AM, jb@nanthrax.net
<
> >> jb@nanthrax.net>
> >> >> >>>>>>>> wrote:
> >> >> >>>>>>>>>
> >> >> >>>>>>>>> Great, thanks a lot !
> >> >> >>>>>>>>>
> >> >> >>>>>>>>> --
> >> >> >>>>>>>>> Jean-Baptiste Onofré
> >> >> >>>>>>>>> jbonofre@apache.org
> >> >> >>>>>>>>> http://blog.nanthrax.net
> >> >> >>>>>>>>> Talend - http://wwx.talend.com
> >> >> >>>>>>>>>
> >> >> >>>>>>>>> ----- Reply message -----
> >> >> >>>>>>>>> From: "Andreas Pieber" <anpieber@gmail.com>
> >> >> >>>>>>>>> To: <dev@karaf.apache.org>
> >> >> >>>>>>>>> Subject: Apache Karaf 2.3.0 very
close
> >> >> >>>>>>>>> Date: Mon, Oct 8, 2012 9:17 am
> >> >> >>>>>>>>>
> >> >> >>>>>>>>>
> >> >> >>>>>>>>> Hey,
> >> >> >>>>>>>>>
> >> >> >>>>>>>>> On Mon, Oct 8, 2012 at 7:46 AM,
Jean-Baptiste Onofré <
> >> >> jb@nanthrax.net>
> >> >> >>>>>>>>> wrote:
> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>
> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> @Andreas, could you take a
look on KARAF-1878 and
> KARAF-1752
> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> (assigned to
> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> you) ? If you are busy today,
I think we can postpone to
> >> 2.3.1.
> >> >> >>>>>>>>>
> >> >> >>>>>>>>>
> >> >> >>>>>>>>> I wanted to keep KARAF-1878 opened
for review till tonight;
> >> I'll
> >> >> apply
> >> >> >>>>>>>>> afterwards. I'll also apply KARAF-1752
then.
> >> >> >>>>>>>>>
> >> >> >>>>>>>>> Kind regards,
> >> >> >>>>>>>>> Andreas
> >> >> >>>>>>>>>
> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>
> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> Thanks all guys,
> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> Regards
> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> JB
> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> --
> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> Jean-Baptiste Onofré
> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> jbonofre@apache.org
> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> http://blog.nanthrax.net
> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> Talend - http://www.talend.com
> >> >> >>>>>>>
> >> >> >>>>>>>
> >> >> >>>>>>>
> >> >> >>>>>>>
> >> >> >>>>>>> --
> >> >> >>>>>>> Claus Ibsen
> >> >> >>>>>>> -----------------
> >> >> >>>>>>> Red Hat, Inc.
> >> >> >>>>>>> FuseSource is now part of Red Hat
> >> >> >>>>>>> Email: cibsen@redhat.com
> >> >> >>>>>>> Web: http://fusesource.com
> >> >> >>>>>>> Twitter: davsclaus
> >> >> >>>>>>> Blog: http://davsclaus.com
> >> >> >>>>>>> Author of Camel in Action: http://www.manning.com/ibsen
> >> >> >>>>>
> >> >> >>>>>
> >> >> >>>>>
> >> >> >>>>>
> >> >> >>>>
> >> >> >>>> --
> >> >> >>>> Jean-Baptiste Onofré
> >> >> >>>> jbonofre@apache.org
> >> >> >>>> http://blog.nanthrax.net
> >> >> >>>> Talend - http://www.talend.com
> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> --
> >> >> >> Jean-Baptiste Onofré
> >> >> >> jbonofre@apache.org
> >> >> >> http://blog.nanthrax.net
> >> >> >> Talend - http://www.talend.com
> >> >> >
> >> >> > --
> >> >> > Daniel Kulp
> >> >> > dkulp@apache.org - http://dankulp.com/blog
> >> >> > Talend Community Coder - http://coders.talend.com
> >> >> >
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> --
> >> >> Claus Ibsen
> >> >> -----------------
> >> >> Red Hat, Inc.
> >> >> FuseSource is now part of Red Hat
> >> >> Email: cibsen@redhat.com
> >> >> Web: http://fusesource.com
> >> >> Twitter: davsclaus
> >> >> Blog: http://davsclaus.com
> >> >> Author of Camel in Action: http://www.manning.com/ibsen
> >> >>
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > --
> >> > Charles Moulliard
> >> > Apache Committer / Sr. Enterprise Architect (RedHat)
> >> > Twitter : @cmoulliard | Blog : http://cmoulliard.blogspot.com
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> --
> >>
> >> Apache Karaf <http://karaf.apache.org/> Committer & PMC
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> >> Committer & Project Lead
> >> OPS4J Pax for Vaadin
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> >> Lead
> >> blog <http://notizblog.nierbeck.de/>
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > ------------------------
> > Guillaume Nodet
> > ------------------------
> > Blog: http://gnodet.blogspot.com/
> > ------------------------
> > FuseSource, Integration everywhere
> > http://fusesource.com
>



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