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From Achim Nierbeck <bcanh...@googlemail.com>
Subject Re: [PROPOSAL] Karaf marketing
Date Thu, 12 Nov 2015 09:40:05 GMT
Hi Serge,

one note about the spring idea ...
right now spring isn't a nice osgi citizen anymore.
So I fear Karaf will get blamed for Spring issues around Spring running
inside OSGi.
That's why I would keep away from that.

regards, Achim

2015-11-12 10:32 GMT+01:00 Serge Huber <shuber@jahia.com>:

> Hello,
> > On 12 nov. 2015, at 07:54, Jean-Baptiste Onofré <jb@nanthrax.net> wrote:
> >
> > Hi all,
> >
> > I already discussed with some of you about my plan on Karaf marketing.
> >
> > I think clearly that we had a great project, a great team, a great tool,
> but we're not really good in term of promotion and marketing.
> Yes Karaf is clearly one of the hidden gems of the ASF, and if marketing
> it properly can make it more visible and people understand it’s value
> better, everybody wins.
> >
> > Especially, we have to be clear in the message and the projects that we
> deliver. For instance, again, I'm sure that karaf-boot is a huge step
> forward in Karaf adoption. I'm not sure that all users are aware and know
> the purpose of Cellar, Cave, Decanter, and even some Karaf areas.
> Yes, and at the same time positioning Karaf as compatible with lots of
> technologies would help. For example tell everyone that they can realize
> their projects in Karaf that use Spring technologies would be helpful, not
> making them have to choose between Karaf or Spring, but rather just use
> Karaf as the runtime and build on top of it using Spring librairies. Of
> course this requires that we provide features for all of these.
> >
> > In order to improve the Karaf marketing area, I would like to propose
> the following plan:
> >
> > 1. More professional website
> > I think we have to improve both the content and the look'n feel of the
> website.
> > In term of content, I think it makes sense to not emphasize on OSGi. The
> fact that Karaf runs OSGi is not really interesting for most of end users
> (of course, it is for advanced/power users). We have to explain that Karaf
> is modern and multi-purpose container. More over, with karaf-boot, it
> becomes also a bootstrapper and "run anywhere" paradigm platform.
> > So, I started a new website, changing the look'n feel (to give a more
> professional shape) and the content (changing the marketing message):
> >
> >       http://maven.nanthrax.net/goodies/karaf/site/
> Looks really good, there are a few images that have resizing issues but
> that’s a detail. One message I also repeat often about Karaf is that it’s
> the basic runtime you would end up with if you started a project from
> scratch, so why not use that as a start instead of re-implementing it.
> Also, at JavaOne Oracle was talking about Jigsaw a lot, so maybe we can
> capitalize on this by saying that this is a module system that is proven
> and future-ready. I like the enterprise positioning, clearly in opposition
> of not-yet-ready-for-production platforms such as docker or in some regards
> Spring-boot :)
> >
> > I will complete the website today (some cleanup, other pages than the
> home one, etc), but it already gives you an idea.
> >
> > 2. New guides/documentation
> > I'm working on the improvement in term of content of the documentation.
> Especially, the dev guide will be more straight forward, providing recipes
> for users.
> > All guides will use asciidoc now. You can already see the kind of output
> on the Decanter guide:
> >
> >       http://karaf.apache.org/manual/decanter/latest-1/index.html
> >
> > All Karaf guides (and subprojects) will be rendered in a popup using
> such look'n feel.
> Looks good but it would be fantastic if it was also responsive so that it
> can be used on tablets and or phablets :)
> >
> > 3. Meetups
> > I plan to organize a Karaf Meetup beginning of 2016. I have some
> sponsors in mind. The purpose is to meet most of Karaf users, devs, and
> enthusiasts.
> > I will give you more details soon.
> Sounds fantastic. If you need help with the sponsoring I could try to talk
> to people here.
> >
> > Thoughts ?
> Love the approach, the old website really needed revamping, and this is
> definitely a great step forward !
> cheers,
>   Serge…


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