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From Julian Feinauer <j.feina...@pragmaticminds.de>
Subject Re: Hello World!
Date Thu, 19 Sep 2019 13:43:42 GMT
Thanks Christian, I will check out your stuff later on. Ideally I would love to have a book
about karaf and some osgi basics and ds... But I guess that's a lot of work.

So I think tutorials and examples are a good pragmatic compromise : )
From: Jean-Baptiste Onofré <jb@nanthrax.net>
Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2019 8:15:08 AM
To: dev@karaf.apache.org <dev@karaf.apache.org>
Subject: Re: Hello World!

Hi Christian,

I think Karaf examples are good enough to start. They are maybe too
simple but provide "classic" use cases (rest, service, jpa, etc).

I agree we can do more, and we are working on it. It's something I
discuss with some guys at ApacheCon last week.
I will come with concrete proposal soon ;)


On 19/09/2019 15:02, Christian Schneider wrote:
> The problem with OSGi docs is that most of the material is quite old.
> Much of it does not apply to modern OSGi development anymore.
> Another issue is that especially for dependency injection there are quite a
> few alternatives. Every of these come with their own pros and cons.
> As a beginner it is difficult to understand and decide how to start.
> Karaf is a great way to start playing with OSGi as many things are readily
> available and the shell and webconsole allow some nice insight into the
> system. What karaf does not provide though is a good introduction into
> OSGi. I tried to do so with my tutorials but they are more like explained
> examples.
> I planned to do a longer introduction around how to build a typical
> application based on best practices .. but it is a lot of work and I never
> really took on the task.
> You might be interested in my recent talk about OSGi best practices.
> Unfortunately in 30 minutes I was not able to really explain how to build
> an application but maybe the example helps a bit.
> https://adapt.to/2019/en/schedule/osgi-best-practices.html
> The most interesting part there is maybe how to build bundles without xml
> config.
> The new annotations that combine requirements and configs are also very
> interesting.
> Both of these are not yet covered by much material on the web.
> In the example there is a small application with an angular front end and a
> jax-rs backend that can be easily installed in karaf.
> Christian
> Am Mi., 18. Sept. 2019 um 06:45 Uhr schrieb Julian Feinauer <
> j.feinauer@pragmaticminds.de>:
>> Hi,
>> it was not so much karaf (I kind of liked it from the start) it was rather
>> OSGi.
>> We come from spring and when I looked through all the osgi material lots
>> of it seemed strange and confusing like Aries, Blueprint, DS, enRoute, ... .
>> Serge helped me a lot with sorting the things in my head and getting all
>> clear (also with bundle vs. feature vs. feature-repo) and DS stuff and lots
>> more.
>> So I think Karaf is already doing an excellent job its rather the OSGi
>> world that is damn confusing and one thing that probably could help is a
>> small OSGi introduction or something.
>> I hope that helps!
>> Julian
>> Am 16.09.19, 11:47 schrieb "Jean-Baptiste Onofré" <jb@nanthrax.net>:
>>     By the way, Julian, I'm curious. Why did you consider Karaf "hard for
>>     you to adopt" ? It's to understand what we can improve (maybe
>>     message/website, example, whatever) in the project to change that !
>>     Thanks !
>>     Regards
>>     JB
>>     On 16/09/2019 18:21, Julian Feinauer wrote:
>>     > Hi everybody,
>>     >
>>     > my name is Julian and as I’m new on this list, I just wanted to
>> shortly introduce myself. I’m a contributor to some Apache projects (PLC4X,
>> IoTDB, Calcite) and I met some karaf folks at the ApacheCon in Las Vegas (I
>> was the guy hanging around introducing JB and Serge).
>>     > I have Karaf on my radar for quite some time but always considered
>> it to hard for us to adopt.
>>     >
>>     > But, as Serge gave me an awesome hands on introduction yesterday, I
>> feel like we should really start to work with it and see how it goes. So,
>> expect some mails from me here or on user@.
>>     >
>>     > Best
>>     > Julian
>>     >
>>     --
>>     Jean-Baptiste Onofré
>>     jbonofre@apache.org
>>     http://blog.nanthrax.net
>>     Talend - http://www.talend.com

Jean-Baptiste Onofré
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