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From robert burrell donkin <robertdon...@mac.com>
Subject Re: Log4j GUI Tools
Date Wed, 19 Dec 2001 19:11:36 GMT
maybe the right thing to do would be to change the web site to link to 
both projects.

- robert

On Wednesday, December 19, 2001, at 04:27 AM, Robert Bushman wrote:

> On Tue, 18 Dec 2001, Ceki Gulcu wrote:
>
>>  Two -0s. I'll have to look at chainsaw more carefully. There is also
>> the http://sourceforge.net/projects/lumbermill/ project. It is not right
>> for log4j to favor one opensource extension over another.
>
> Hi,
>
> As the author of Lumbermill, and a contributor
> to Chainsaw, I'd first like to say thanks for
> considering Oliver's fine project and mine.
> Lumbermill is only a month old, and I'm proud
> that it is far enough along to be mentioned.
>
> That said, I agree with the general sentiment
> expressed in another post. I don't think any
> of the Log4j GUI tools on the market have been
> through enough refactoring cycles to meet
> Apache's high standards.
>
> Moreover, while any developer (including myself)
> would be proud to have a project become a part
> of the Apache Software Foundation, I think it
> might be better for Log4j not to include a
> single GUI solution.
>
> Developers that use Log4j are usually fairly
> advanced software engineers (rookies typically
> have not yet learned the value of logging).
> As such, it seems likely that most Log4j users
> spend some significant amount of time refining
> their toolkit (mine, for example, includes
> TogetherJ, Emacs/JDE, Jikes, JDK, Lumbermill,
> CVS, and a wide swath of The Jakarta Project).
>
> To me, this implies that more Log4j users
> will benefit from a competitive offering of
> available GUI applications than from a single
> one that reflects the least unpleasant compromise.
> IMHO, advanced developers are better served by
> freedom of choice than by having a bundled
> suite that is easier to install.
>
> While it would be an honor to be invited to
> add Lumbermill to the Log4j project, I think
> the best interests of the users of Log4j is
> served by inspiring healthy competition between
> projects that complement Log4j, and including
> links to those projects on the Log4j download
> page (the current practice).
>
> Bob
>
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