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From Robert Bushman <...@traxel.com>
Subject Log4j GUI Tools
Date Wed, 19 Dec 2001 04:27:16 GMT
On Tue, 18 Dec 2001, Ceki Gulcu wrote:

>  Two -0s. I'll have to look at chainsaw more carefully. There is also
>the http://sourceforge.net/projects/lumbermill/ project. It is not right
>for log4j to favor one opensource extension over another.


As the author of Lumbermill, and a contributor
to Chainsaw, I'd first like to say thanks for
considering Oliver's fine project and mine.
Lumbermill is only a month old, and I'm proud
that it is far enough along to be mentioned.

That said, I agree with the general sentiment
expressed in another post. I don't think any
of the Log4j GUI tools on the market have been
through enough refactoring cycles to meet
Apache's high standards.

Moreover, while any developer (including myself)
would be proud to have a project become a part
of the Apache Software Foundation, I think it
might be better for Log4j not to include a
single GUI solution.

Developers that use Log4j are usually fairly
advanced software engineers (rookies typically
have not yet learned the value of logging).
As such, it seems likely that most Log4j users
spend some significant amount of time refining
their toolkit (mine, for example, includes
TogetherJ, Emacs/JDE, Jikes, JDK, Lumbermill,
CVS, and a wide swath of The Jakarta Project).

To me, this implies that more Log4j users
will benefit from a competitive offering of
available GUI applications than from a single
one that reflects the least unpleasant compromise.
IMHO, advanced developers are better served by
freedom of choice than by having a bundled
suite that is easier to install.

While it would be an honor to be invited to
add Lumbermill to the Log4j project, I think
the best interests of the users of Log4j is
served by inspiring healthy competition between
projects that complement Log4j, and including
links to those projects on the Log4j download
page (the current practice).


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