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From "Shapira, Yoav" <Yoav.Shap...@mpi.com>
Subject RE: [POLL] first 1.3alpha or log4j self-logging?
Date Thu, 27 May 2004 12:45:12 GMT

Hmmmmm.... I suppose people have waited long enough that a few more weeks aren't a big deal.
 But is that really a good estimate?  I would think log4j's backup logging would be a simple,
non-configurable, dumb approach, like maybe System.err.println's (let whoever started the
JVM deal with it).

Yoav Shapira
Millennium Research Informatics

>-----Original Message-----
>From: Ceki Gülcü [mailto:ceki@qos.ch]
>Sent: Thursday, May 27, 2004 6:23 AM
>To: log4j-dev@logging.apache.org
>Subject: [POLL] first 1.3alpha or log4j self-logging?
>Hello all,
>You may have noticed that log4j 1.3 has made quite a bit of progress
>Plugins/Receivers have become pervasive. We can offer much more
>flexibility in parsing configuration files thanks to JoranConfigrator
>which has replaced DOMConfigurator. Chainsaw has been enhanced and
>improved beyond recognition to become a sophisticated log
>visualization tool. We now have strategy based rollovers and support
>for dynamic conversion words in PatternLayout.
>One could say that we are ready for an alpha release for log4j 1.3.
>However, the state of internal log4j logging (or error reporting) is
>in a state which one might charitably call less than "satisfactory",
>while utter mess is probably closer to reality. I would like to rectify
>the log4j-internal logging problem before making log4j 1.3alpha available
>in jar form.
>So my question is the following. Do you prefer to release log4j
>1.3alpha now or would you rather wait until the internal logging issue
>is resolved which could delay the release for at least another few
>weeks?  I rather wait to be on the safe side.
>ps: Solving the self-logging issue is important because otherwise
>users do not have a way of knowing what went wrong in case of
>log4j-related problems. Log4j currently has about 100'000 lines of
>code which is more than what initial versions of Tomcat or JBoss had.
>Thus, log4j self-logging is a crucial ingredient to ensure a pleasant
>user experience.
>Ceki Gülcü
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