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From Matt Sicker <boa...@gmail.com>
Subject Re: log4j2 evangelism
Date Mon, 04 Jul 2016 20:47:31 GMT
We have benchmarks pretty prominently displayed:

https://logging.apache.org/log4j/2.x/performance.html

Also, SLF4J is comparable to log4j-api; both need a logging library to
actually work such as log4j-core, logback, log4j 1.x, or java.util.logging.

Personally, I've found async logging to be a killer reason to switch due to
all the performance issues other logging libraries cause.

On 4 July 2016 at 15:33, Ole Ersoy <ole.ersoy@gmail.com> wrote:

> I personally like log4j 2 a lot (Because of Java 8 lambda support, cleaner
> architecture, etc.) and switching for me was really easy because I use
> lombok annotations to generate the logger.  But what would be the "Killer"
> reason to upgrade if say someone is using SLF4J?  For example HikariCP has
> this JMH Benchmarking chart on their front page that makes a pretty
> convincing case:
> https://github.com/brettwooldridge/HikariCP
>
> Happy 4th,
> Ole
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> On 07/04/2016 02:37 PM, Matt Sicker wrote:
>
> So what sites are best to get syndicated on for this? I get a lot of my
> programming news from various subreddits for instance (r/programming,
> r/java, r/coding) along with Twitter. Otherwise, I learn about new things
> usually from java user groups or online presentations before digging into
> detailed tutorials and books.
>
> On 3 July 2016 at 10:11, Gary Gregory <garydgregory@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> On Jul 2, 2016 4:34 PM, "Remko Popma" < <remko.popma@gmail.com>
>> remko.popma@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Sent from my iPhone
>> >
>> > On 2016/07/03, at 5:01, Ralph Goers < <ralph.goers@dslextreme.com>
>> ralph.goers@dslextreme.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >> Personally, I don’t think talks do all that much. Articles are great,
>> but IMO the best route is in trying to get other open source projects to
>> use Log4j.
>> >
>> > +1
>>
>> +1
>>
>> Gary
>>
>> >
>> >> Then people who start to use those other projects are forced to learn
>> about Log4j.
>> >>
>> >> Ralph
>> >>
>> >>> On Jul 2, 2016, at 12:15 PM, Matt Sicker <boards@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> If we could get a talk in to something big like JavaOne, that might
>> help adoption, though I have no idea what kind of talks they accept from
>> non-Oracle people (if any).
>> >>>
>> >>> On 2 July 2016 at 08:57, Remko Popma < <remko.popma@gmail.com>
>> remko.popma@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>> On Mon, Jun 13, 2016 at 11:52 PM, Remko Popma <remko.popma@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> In spite of the fact that Log4j 2 has a very compelling story
in
>> terms of feature set and performance, I get the impression that adoption is
>> quite slow. I could be wrong, but how many open source projects use Log4j
>> 2? Or even how many Apache projects?
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> I propose we try to generate some ideas about what we can do
to
>> increase our uptake. Some things I've been thinking about:
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> * Rewrite the Wikipedia page on Log4j. It's mostly about Log4j
1.2
>> and mentions Log4j 2 at the bottom in a footnote. That needs to be the
>> other way around in my opinion. The Wikipedia Java logging framework page
>> is even worse.
>> >>>>> * The Apache Logging site has no explicit mention that Log4j
1 is
>> EOL.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> I updated the Apache Logging page to mention that Log4j 1 is EOL.
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> * Only the top page on the Log4j 1 site mentions that the project
>> is EOL, but it does so in two modest sentences that don't visually stick
>> out and are easily ignored. At the very least the download page needs a
>> mention of the EOL and a link to the Log4j 2 project, but it may be good to
>> have a notification on every page.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> I added the EOL announcement to the top of all main pages in the
>> Log4j 1 site.
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> * Can we get other people involved in evangelizing log4j 2?
It
>> would be great if we can make more people enthusiastic so they write blog
>> posts or tutorials etc about Log4j 2.
>> >>>>> * How can we incentivise people to convert their project to
Log4j
>> 2? Maybe start a page on Projects Using Log4j 2 and mention people who did
>> the conversion by name? Or some other way?
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Thoughts?
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Remko
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> --
>> >>> Matt Sicker <boards@gmail.com>
>> >>
>> >>
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> Matt Sicker <boards@gmail.com>
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