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From Grant Ingersoll <>
Subject Re: Filesystem based bitset
Date Sat, 10 Jan 2009 21:06:34 GMT
Robert, if you wish to continue on this list I suggest you stop.    
Either contribute peacefully and positively to this list or you will  
be removed.  We've all had it with your name calling and constant  
derision backed up by a complete lack of substance in actually doing  
any of the work, all while clearly benefiting from what Lucene has to  
offer.  The fact that the community has tolerated your drivel for so  
long is a tremendous credit to this community.

On Jan 10, 2009, at 1:04 PM, robert engels wrote:

> Also, ideally my coworker would be both. But given that people are  
> of differing ability levels, my coworker has a problem. If he is  
> smarter than me, wasting his time explaining things over and over to  
> me does little good - unless I take the time to learn from it - and  
> that is not always possible - different people have different  
> capacities.
> And if the shoe is on the other foot, it wastes my time, unless the  
> person being talked to has demonstrated a willingness and ability to  
> learn.
> You can't get blood from a turnip.
> On Jan 10, 2009, at 11:57 AM, robert engels wrote:
>> You are completely off-base in regards to my Columbia reference.
>> It is sorrowful when anyone dies (others would dispute this,  
>> executions of murderers, etc.), but people die all the time - it  
>> doesn't make it a tragedy.
>> What makes the Columbia truly a tragedy is that they died due to  
>> politics, of no fault of their own.  They entrusted their lives to  
>> the engineers, and were deceived.
>> The same can be said when politics is the overriding factor in our  
>> intelligence agencies. You can also see where that got us, and the  
>> lives that have been lost.
>> Illustrating the serious problems that can occur when politics wins  
>> over substance is not disrespectful - it is prudent, and you are a  
>> disrespectful ass for even suggesting it was. Either that, or you  
>> do not enough enough command of the English language to understand  
>> I was not equating the two, but using one as an extreme example of  
>> the result of the underlying problem.
>> That Lucene isn't used is mission critical applications, doesn't  
>> make the offense of politics over substance any less problematic.
>> You sound like some unrealistic PC idiot - maybe in your next  
>> message you'll some how play the race card in order to "quiet me".  
>> Please.
>> And personally, I would rather work with a jerk that made my work  
>> life/day easier because his work product removed a burden on me, or  
>> made the company so successful that I earned a better compensation,  
>> than work with I guy that I had to either explain everything 3  
>> times, or redo his crap all the time. In fact, I would work hard to  
>> see that the latter did not work there very long.
>> On Jan 10, 2009, at 7:53 AM, Grant Ingersoll wrote:
>>> On Jan 9, 2009, at 8:06 PM, robert engels wrote:
>>>> Luckily there are entrepreneurs and other managers/owners that  
>>>> value quality first, and let feelings get repaired over beers or  
>>>> not at all.
>>> Sure, but let me ask you, do you like working with those people  
>>> who are jerks all the time?  AFAICT, Lucene has done a pretty good  
>>> job of creating something of quality AND doing it in a civil,  
>>> respectful way, otherwise I just don't think we would still all be  
>>> here.  Why can't we have both?  You talk like the only way it is  
>>> possible to achieve something is by stepping on others.
>>> I would suggest everyone involved remove feelings from all of this  
>>> and just focus on discussing the pros and cons of the subject at  
>>> hand without the need to insult each other anytime you disagree.   
>>> In the end, all involved would likely do better simply by showing  
>>> their ideas out in code, i.e. _real_ patches.
>>>> Your approach is exactly what destroyed the Columbia and their  
>>>> lives - politics over substance.
>>> Please don't compare what we do in a mission non-critical open  
>>> source project for searching files, databases and other minutiae  
>>> with the massive tragedy that was Columbia.  They are not even  
>>> close to being on the same level and it is so completely  
>>> disrespectful to those that lost their lives in that tragedy.
>>> -Grant
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