The unexpected part is that I would have expected the code to handle franken-segments as well, because at some point we finally resorted to always forcing the wrapping even for segments that don’t need it (ie. they claim the field contains DVs) but the test is still failing.

On 18 Dec 2018, at 19:05, Adrien Grand <> wrote:

I had a quick look and couldn't find anything to prevent what you
called “franken-segments” in the Lucene test?

On Tue, Dec 18, 2018 at 5:59 PM Erick Erickson <> wrote:

A couple of additions:

AddDVMPLuceneTest2 does not use Solr constructs at all, so is the test
we think is most interesting at this point, it won't lead anyone down
the path of "what's all this Solr stuff and is it right" kinds of
questions (believe me, we've spent some time on that path!). Please
feel free to look at all the rest of it of course, but the place we're
stuck is why this test fails.

AddDvStress is intended as an integration-level test, it requires some
special setup (in particular providing a particular configset), we put
that together to reliably make the problem visible. We thought the new
code was the issue at first and needed something to narrow down the

The reason we're obsessing about this is that it calls into question
how segments are merged when "things change". We don't understand why
this is happening at the Lucene level so don't know how to insure that
things like the schema API in Solr aren't affected.

Andrzej isn't the only one running out of ideas ;).

On Tue, Dec 18, 2018 at 4:46 AM Andrzej Białecki <> wrote:


I'm working on a use case where an existing Solr setup needs to migrate to a schema that uses docValues for faceting, instead of uninversion. This case fits into a broader subject of SOLR-12259 (Robustly upgrade indexes). However, in this case there are two major requirements for this migration process:

* data cannot be reindexed from scratch - I need to work with the already indexed documents (which do contain the values needed for faceting, but these values are simply indexed and not stored as doc values)

* indexing can’t be stopped while the schema is being changed (the conversion process needs to work on-the-fly while the collection is online, both for searching and for updates). Collection reloads / reopening is ok but it’s not ok to take the collection offline for several minutes (or hours).

Together with Erick Erickson we implemented a solution that uses MergePolicy (actually MergePolicyFactory in Solr) to enforce re-writing of segments that no longer match the schema, ie. don’t contain docValues in a field where the new schema requires it. This merge policy determines what segments need this conversion and then forces the “merging” (actually re-writing) of these segments by first wrapping them into UninvertingReader to supply docValues where they are required by the new schema but actually are missing in the segment’s data. This “AddDocValuesMergePolicy” (ADVMP for short) is supposed to deal with the following types of segments:

* old segments created before the schema change - these don’t contain any docValues in the target fields and so they are wrapped in UninvertingReader for merging (and for searching) according to the new schema.

* new segments created after the schema change - if FieldInfo-s for these fields claim that the segment already contains docValues where it should then the segment is passed as-is to merging, otherwise it’s wrapped again. An optimisation was also put here to “mark” the already converted segments using a marker in SegmentInfo diagnostics map so that we can avoid re-checking and re-converting already converted data.

So, long story short, this process works very well when there’s no concurrent indexing activity - all old segments are properly wrapped and re-written and merging with new segments works as intended. However, in a situation with concurrent indexing it works well but only for a short while. At some point this conversion process seems to lose large percentage of the docValues, even though it seems that at all points the source segments are properly wrapped - the ADVMP merge policy adds a lot of debugging information to track the source and type of segments across many levels of merging and whether they were wrapped or not.

My working theory is that somehow this schema change produces “franken-segments” (while they still haven’t been flushed) where only some of the most recent docs have the docValues and earlier ones don’t. As I understand it, this should not happen in Solr because a schema change results in a core reload. The tracking information from ADVMP  seems to indicate that all generations of segments, both those that were flushed and merged earlier, have been properly wrapped.

My alternate theory is that there’s some bug in the doc values merging process when UninvertingReader is involved, because this problem occurs also when we modify ADVMP to always force the wrapping of all segments in UninvertingReader-s. The percentage of lost doc values is sometimes quite large, up to 50%, perhaps it’s a bug somewhere where the code accounts for the presence of doc values in FieldCacheImpl?

Together with Erick we implemented a bunch of tests that illustrate this issue - both the tests and the code can be found on branch "jira/solr-12259":

* code.tests.AddDVMPLuceneTest2 - this is a pure Lucene test that shows how doc values are lost after several rounds of merging while concurrent indexing is going on. This failure is reproducible 100%.

* code.tests.AddDvStress - this is a Solr test that repeatedly creates a collection without doc values, starts the indexing, changes the config to use ADVMP, makes the schema change to turn doc values on, and verifies the number of facets on the target field. This test also fails after a while with the same symptoms as the Lucene one, so I think that solving the Lucene test failure should solve this failure too.

Any suggestions or insights are very much appreciated - I'm running out of ideas to try...

Andrzej Białecki

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