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From "Jack Krupansky" <j...@basetechnology.com>
Subject Re: Note on The Book
Date Sun, 09 Jun 2013 13:22:54 GMT
Point taken. Although initially the focus is on one big e-book - to make 
searching easier, with zero chance of printing that as one paper book, the 
intent is to go multi-volume for the print edition down the road a little 
bit.

-- Jack Krupansky

-----Original Message----- 
From: Otis Gospodnetic
Sent: Sunday, June 09, 2013 2:12 AM
To: solr-user@lucene.apache.org
Subject: Re: Note on The Book

It's 2013 and people suffer from ADD.  Break it up into a la carte
chapter books.

Otis
--
Solr & ElasticSearch Support
http://sematext.com/





On Wed, May 29, 2013 at 6:23 PM, Jack Krupansky <jack@basetechnology.com> 
wrote:
> Markus,
>
> Okay, more pages it is!
>
> -- Jack Krupansky
>
> -----Original Message----- From: Markus Jelsma
> Sent: Wednesday, May 29, 2013 5:35 PM
>
> To: solr-user@lucene.apache.org
> Subject: RE: Note on The Book
>
> Jack,
>
> I'd prefer tons of information instead of a meager 300 page book that 
> leaves
> a lot of questions. I'm looking forward to a paperback or hardcover book 
> and
> price doesn't really matter, it is going to be worth it anyway.
>
> Thanks,
> Markus
>
>
>
> -----Original message-----
>>
>> From:Jack Krupansky <jack@basetechnology.com>
>> Sent: Wed 29-May-2013 15:10
>> To: solr-user@lucene.apache.org
>> Subject: Re: Note on The Book
>>
>> Erick, your point is well taken. Although my primary interest/skill is to
>> produce a solid foundation reference (including tons of examples), the
>> real
>> goal is to then build on top of that foundation.
>>
>> While I focus on the hard-core material - which really does include some
>> narrative and lots of examples in addition to tons of "mere" reference, 
>> my
>> co-author, Ryan Tabora, will focus almost exclusively on... narrative and
>> diagrams.
>>
>> And when I say reference, I also mean lots of examples. Even as the
>> hard-core reference stabilizes, the examples will continue to grow ("like
>> weeds!").
>>
>> Once we get the current, existing, under-review, chapters packaged into
>> the
>> new book and available for purchase and download (maybe Lulu, not 
>> decided)
>> -
>> available, in a couple of weeks, it will be updated approximately every
>> other week, both with additional reference material, and additional
>> narrative and diagrams.
>>
>> One of our priorities (after we get through Stage 0 of the next few 
>> weeks)
>> is to in fact start giving each of the long Deep Dive Chapters enough
>> narrative lead to basically say exactly that - why you should care.
>>
>> A longer-term priority is to improve the balance of narrative and
>> hard-core
>> reference. Yeah, that will be a lot of pages. It already is. We were at
>> 907
>> pages and I was about to drop in another 166 pages on update handlers 
>> when
>> O'Reilly threw up their hands and pulled the plug. I was estimating 1200
>> pages at that stage. And I'll probably have another 60-80 pages on update
>> request processors within a week or so. With more to come. That did
>> include
>> a lot of hard-core material and example code for Lucene, which won't be 
>> in
>> the new Solr-only book. By focusing on an e-book the raw page count alone
>> becomes moot. We haven't given up on print - the intent is eventually to
>> have multiple volumes (4-8 or so, maybe more), both as cheaper e-books 
>> ($3
>> to $5 each) and slimmer print volumes for people who don't need 
>> everything
>> in print.
>>
>> In fact, we will likely offer the revamped initial chapters of the book 
>> as
>> a
>> standalone introduction to Solr - narrative introduction ("why should you
>> care about Solr"), basic concepts of Lucene and Solr (and why you should
>> care!), brief tutorial walkthough of the major feature areas of Solr, and
>> a
>> case study. The intent would be both e-book and a slim print volume (75
>> pages?).
>>
>> Another priority (beyond Stage 0) is to develop a detailed roadmap 
>> diagram
>> of Solr and how applications can use Solr, and then use that to show how
>> each of the Deep Dive sections (heavy reference, but gradually adding 
>> more
>> narrative over time.)
>>
>> We will probably be very open to requests - what people really wish a 
>> book
>> would actually do for them. The only request we won't be open to is to do
>> it
>> all in only 300 pages.
>>
>> -- Jack Krupansky
>>
>> -----Original Message----- From: Erick Erickson
>> Sent: Wednesday, May 29, 2013 7:19 AM
>> To: solr-user@lucene.apache.org
>> Subject: Re: Note on The Book
>>
>> FWIW, picking up on Alexandre's point. One of my continual
>> frustrations with virtually _all_
>> technical books is they become endless pages of details without ever
>> mentioning why
>> the hell I should care. Unfortunately, explaining use-cases for
>> everything would only make
>> the book about 10,000 pages long. Siiigggggh.
>>
>> I guess you can take this as a vote for narrative....
>>
>> Erick
>>
>> On Tue, May 28, 2013 at 4:53 PM, Jack Krupansky <jack@basetechnology.com>
>> wrote:
>> > We'll have a blog for the book. We hope to have a first
>> > raw/rough/partial/draft published as an e-book in maybe 10 days to 2
>> > weeks.
>> > As soon as we get that process under control, we'll start the blog. 
>> > I'll
>> > keep your email on file and keep you posted.
>> >
>> > -- Jack Krupansky
>> >
>> > -----Original Message----- From: Swati Swoboda
>> > Sent: Tuesday, May 28, 2013 1:36 PM
>> > To: solr-user@lucene.apache.org
>> > Subject: RE: Note on The Book
>> >
>> >
>> > I'd definitely prefer the spiral bound as well. E-books are great and >
>> > your
>> > draft version seems very reasonably priced (aka I would definitely get
>> > it).
>> >
>> > Really looking forward to this. Is there a separate mailing list / etc.
>> > for
>> > the book for those who would like to receive updates on the status of >
>> > the
>> > book?
>> >
>> > Thanks
>> >
>> > Swati Swoboda
>> > Software Developer - Igloo Software
>> > +1.519.489.4120  sswoboda@igloosoftware.com
>> >
>> > Bring back Cake Fridays – watch a video you’ll actually like
>> > http://vimeo.com/64886237
>> >
>> >
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > From: Jack Krupansky [mailto:jack@basetechnology.com]
>> > Sent: Thursday, May 23, 2013 7:15 PM
>> > To: solr-user@lucene.apache.org
>> > Subject: Note on The Book
>> >
>> > To those of you who may have heard about the Lucene/Solr book that I 
>> > and
>> > two
>> > others are writing on Lucene and Solr, some bad and good news. The bad
>> > news:
>> > The book contract with O’Reilly has been canceled. The good news: I’m
>> > going
>> > to proceed with self-publishing (possibly on Lulu or even Amazon) a
>> > somewhat
>> > reduced scope Solr-only Reference Guide (with hints of Lucene). The >
>> > scope
>> > of
>> > the previous effort was too great, even for O’Reilly – a book larger >
>> > than
>> > 800 pages (or even 600) that was heavy on reference and lighter on >
>> > “guide”
>> > just wasn’t fitting in with their traditional “guide” model. In truth,
>> > Solr
>> > is just too complex for a simple guide that covers it all, let alone
>> > Lucene
>> > as well.
>> >
>> > I’ll announce more details in the coming weeks, but I expect to publish
>> > > an
>> > e-book-only version of the book, focused on Solr reference (and plenty 
>> >  >
>> > of
>> > guide as well), possibly on Lulu, plus eventually publish 4-8 
>> > individual
>> > print volumes for people who really want the paper. One model I may >
>> > pursue
>> > is to offer the current, incomplete, raw, rough, draft as a $7.99 >
>> > e-book,
>> > with the promise of updates every two weeks or a month as new and >
>> > revised
>> > content and new releases of Solr become available. Maybe the individual
>> > e-book volumes would be $2 or $3. These are just preliminary ideas. 
>> > Feel
>> > free to let me know what seems reasonable or excessive.
>> >
>> > For paper: Do people really want perfect bound, or would you prefer >
>> > spiral
>> > bound that lies flat and folds back easily? I suppose we could offer
>> > both –
>> > which should be considered “premium”?
>> >
>> > I’ll announce more details next week. The immediate goal will be to get
>> > the
>> > “raw rough draft” available to everyone ASAP.
>> >
>> > For those of you who have been early reviewers – your effort will not >
>> > have
>> > been in vain. I have all your comments and will address them over the >
>> > next
>> > month or two or three.
>> >
>> > Just for some clarity, the existing Solr Wiki and even the recent
>> > contribution of the LucidWorks Solr Reference to Apache really are 
>> > still
>> > great contributions to general knowledge about Solr, but the book is
>> > intended to go much deeper into detail, especially with loads of >
>> > examples
>> > and a lot more narrative guide. For example, the book has a complete >
>> > list
>> > of
>> > the analyzer filters, each with a clean one-liner description. Ditto 
>> > for
>> > every parameter (although I would note that the LucidWorks Solr >
>> > Reference
>> > does a decent job of that as well.) Maybe, eventually, everything in 
>> > the
>> > book COULD (and will) be integrated into the standard Solr doc, but >
>> > until
>> > then, a single, integrated reference really is sorely needed. And, the
>> > book
>> > has a lot of narrative guide and walking through examples as well. Over
>> > time, I’m sure both will evolve. And just to be clear, the book is not 
>> > a
>> > simple repurposing of the Solr wiki content – EVERY description of
>> > everything has been written fresh, from scratch. So, for example, >
>> > analyzer
>> > filters get both short one-liner summary descriptions as well as more
>> > detailed descriptions, plus formal attribute specifications and 
>> > numerous
>> > examples, including sample input and outputs (the LucidWorks Solr
>> > Reference
>> > does a better job with examples as well.)
>> >
>> > The book has been written in parallel with branch_4x and that will
>> > continue.
>> >
>> > -- Jack Krupansky
>>
>>
> 


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