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From Alexandre Rafalovitch <arafa...@gmail.com>
Subject Re: (ANNOUNCEMENT) Solr Examples reading group
Date Thu, 06 Oct 2016 02:53:34 GMT
Yeah, I agree actually. That was an experiment in the radical
simplification. I'll have uniqueKey, and _version_ back. But the fact
that the schema still works is a good teaching point, in my mind.

At the same time, I am still struggling with the reasonable minimal
solrconfig.xml. None of the shipped examples are reasonable, because
they all include - as a data point - enableRemoteStreaming=true ....
So, something has to go. But what has to stay is unclear. Perhaps
that's something to discuss at the meetup.

Regards,
   Alex.
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On 6 October 2016 at 09:06, Erick Erickson <erickerickson@gmail.com> wrote:
> I'm a little reluctant to remove id and _version_ as they're
> so essential to SolrCloud. Stand alone for that matter, I
> strongly recommend that people have a <uniqueKey>
> no matter what as the "usual" expectation is to replace docs
> I think...
>
> But perhaps a minimal_config and milnimal_cloud_config?
>
> In either case I think <unkqueKey> should be there.....
>
> Erick
>
> On Wed, Oct 5, 2016 at 9:58 AM, Alexandre Rafalovitch
> <arafalov@gmail.com> wrote:
>> http://gethue.com/ does Solr as part of Big Data, but not sure about Nutch
>> https://github.com/DigitalPebble/behemoth has Solr and Nutch, but not
>> sure about UI
>> LucidWorks' commercial Fusion platform I believe has both with UI
>>
>> Solr default config has LOTS of comments :-) Of course, the ones in
>> managed-schema go away on first "schemaless mode" modification, so
>> read them before they go go go. And for solrconfig.xml, if you
>> reformat - say "films" - example to remove comments and spaces, you
>> drop from 1482 lines to 271.
>>
>> So, I should say comments are not a problem. At least in the "not
>> enough" sense. In the "drown in" sense, that's a different story.
>>
>> Regards,
>>    Alex.
>>
>>
>>
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>>
>> On 5 October 2016 at 23:26, WebDawg <webdawg@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> On Wed, Oct 5, 2016 at 11:15 AM, Alexandre Rafalovitch
>>> <arafalov@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> I have an nearly minimal config for Solr 4.9, 5.5 and 6.2 at:
>>>> https://github.com/arafalov/simplest-solr-config/ . They are _quite_
>>>> feature minimal (6.2 does not even have ID or version), but they will
>>>> import and search example/exampledocs/*.xml without fuss
>>>>
>>>> I challenge you to guess number of lines they take before looking :-)
>>>>
>>>> As to minimal examples, I think that's absolutely the next step. Did
>>>> you ever notice that we don't even get too many question on the Solr
>>>> Users mailing list about the example - I suspect it is because people
>>>> get lost so fast they don't even know how to ask the questions.
>>>> SOLR-9601 will be my next experiment for that.
>>>>
>>>> As to kitchen-sync vs the examples, maybe we need a "configuration"
>>>> configset that will have all the definitions and then have
>>>> Admin/Velocity/whatever UI that allows user pick a definition and
>>>> existing core on the same server and it will the
>>>> type/field/configuration command to that core. It is definitely doable
>>>> for schema. For solrconfig it is a bit more challenging as not
>>>> everything is API controlled yet and API itself - in my mind - is
>>>> still very raw. The support files is a small challenge too for
>>>> non-cloud mode. But this could be the dogfood project to fix that.
>>>>
>>>> So, as a workflow, it would be:
>>>> 1) bin/solr create -c mycore -d minimal_config
>>>> 2) Experiment to the limit of that core's configuration (initial types, etc)
>>>> 3) bin/solr create -c config -d configuration
>>>> 4) Use the new core's enhanced UI to do whatever is needed to mycore
>>>> 5) bin/solr delete -c config
>>>> 6) Continue working with mycore
>>>>
>>>> The other similar idea is a 3rd party solr config wizard that walks
>>>> the user through the choices and generates config files with/without
>>>> comments/links to ref guide. Then, it is not limited to Solr file
>>>> layout. On the other hand, people need to know the tool exists....
>>>>
>>>> Regards,
>>>>    Alex.
>>>> P.s. I will try very hard to be at the meetup on Tuesday, so will be
>>>> very happy to have an in-depth discussion about this topic
>>>
>>>
>>> I was thinking about working on something like this but I just asked
>>> the nutch list if anything like this existed.
>>>
>>> Does it?  Is there anyway to configure lets say SOLR and nutch with a GUI util?
>>>
>>> I remember back in the day configuring eggdrops and I was very happy
>>> that everything was there to comment out if needed.  It made
>>> understanding configuration easy.
>>>
>>> What do the SOLR default configs look like right now?  Are there comments?

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