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From Trevor Grant <trevor.d.gr...@gmail.com>
Subject Re: New logo
Date Mon, 01 May 2017 18:41:43 GMT
Thanks Scott,

You are correct- in fact we're going even further now, that you can do
native optimization regardless of the architecture with native-solvers.

Do you or anyone more familiar with the history of the website know
anything about the origins/uses of this:
https://mahout.apache.org/images/Mahout-logo-245x300.png
It seems to be a green mahout logo.

Also Scott, or anyone lurking who may be able to help.  As part of the
website reboot I've included a "history" page and would really apppreciate
some help capturing that from first person sources if possible. Ive put in
some headers but those are only directional:

https://github.com/rawkintrevo/mahout/blob/website/website/front/community/history.md



Trevor Grant
Data Scientist
https://github.com/rawkintrevo
http://stackexchange.com/users/3002022/rawkintrevo
http://trevorgrant.org

*"Fortunate is he, who is able to know the causes of things."  -Virgil*


On Mon, May 1, 2017 at 11:18 AM, scott cote <scottccote@gmail.com> wrote:

> Trevor et al:
>
> Some ideas to spur you on (and related points):
>
> Mahout is no longer a grab bag of algorithms and routines, but a math
> language right?  You don’t care about the under the cover implementation.
> Today its Spark with alternative implementations in Flink, etc ….
>
> Don’t know if that is the long term goal still  - haven’t kept up - but it
> seems like you are insulating yourself from the underlying technology.
>
> Math is a universal language.  Right?
>
> Tower of Babel is coming to mind ….
>
> SCott
>
> > On Apr 27, 2017, at 10:27 PM, Trevor Grant <trevor.d.grant@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > It also bugs me when I can't suggest any alternatives, yet don't like the
> > ones in front of me...
> >
> > I became aware of a symbol a week or so ago, and it keeps coming back to
> > me.
> >
> > The Enso.
> > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ens%C5%8D
> >
> > Things I like about it:
> > (all from wikipedia, since the only thing I knew about this symbol prior
> is
> > that someone I met had a tattoo of it).
> > It represents (among a few other things) enlightenment.
> > ^^ This resonated with the 'alternate definition of mahout' from Hebrew-
> > which may be something akin to essence or truth.
> >
> > It is a circle- which plays to the Samsara theme.
> >
> > It is very expressive, a simple one or two brush stroke circle which
> > symbolizes several large concepts and things about the creator,
> expressive
> > like our DSL (I feel gross comparing such a symbol to a Scala DSL, but
> I'm
> > spit balling here, please forgive me- I am not so expressive).
> >
> > "Once the *ensō* is drawn, one does not change it. It evidences the
> > character of its creator and the context of its creation in a brief,
> > contiguous period of time." Which reminds me of the DRMs
> >
> > In closed form it represents something akin to Plato's perfection- which
> a
> > little more wiki surfing tells me is the idea that no one can create a
> > perfect circle because a circle is a collection of infinite points and
> how
> > could ever be sure that you have arranged each one properly, yet such
> > things must exist, or what blueprint would a creator of circles be
> striving
> > for.  This, by-the-by reminds me of stochastic approaches to solving
> > problems, and really statistics / "machine-learning" in general, in that
> we
> > can't find perfect solutions, yet we believe solutions exist and serve as
> > our blueprint.
> >
> > Finally, I like that it is simple.
> >
> > Things I don't like about it:
> > Lucent Technologies used it back in the 90s, however they used a very
> > specific red one, and this isn't a deal breaker for me.
> >
> > Other thoughts:
> > Based on the tattoo I saw- one could make an Enso using old mahout color
> > palatte if one were to dab their brush in the appropriate colors. This
> > could also be represented in any single color. (Not sure what that does
> to
> > our TM, is it ok if we just keep slapping TMs on the side of it? If that
> is
> > the case is there any reason we must have a single Enso?)
> >
> > So there is something to throw in the pot that is a little more grown up
> > than my runner up favorites (honey badger, blueman riding bomb waving
> > cowboy hat, blueman riding lighting bolt into a squirrel covered in
> water,
> > etc).
> >
> > Again, only know what wiki has told me, so if anyone is more familiar
> with
> > this symbol (like was it used as a logo by some horrible dictator which
> > carried out terrible attrocities?) or just general comments.
> > tg
> >
> >
> >
> > Trevor Grant
> > Data Scientist
> > https://github.com/rawkintrevo
> > http://stackexchange.com/users/3002022/rawkintrevo
> > http://trevorgrant.org
> >
> > *"Fortunate is he, who is able to know the causes of things."  -Virgil*
> >
> >
> > On Thu, Apr 27, 2017 at 5:50 PM, Ted Dunning <ted.dunning@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> >> I don't have any constructive input at all. None of the proposals showed
> >> any spark (to me).
> >>
> >> I hate it when I can't suggest a better path and I hate negative
> feedback.
> >> But there it is.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On Thu, Apr 27, 2017 at 3:48 PM, Pat Ferrel <pat@occamsmachete.com>
> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Do you have constructive input (guidance or opinion is welcome input)
> or
> >>> would you like to discontinue the contest. If the later, -1 now.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On Apr 27, 2017, at 3:42 PM, Ted Dunning <ted.dunning@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> I thought that none of the proposals were worth continuing with.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On Thu, Apr 27, 2017 at 3:36 PM, Pat Ferrel <pat@occamsmachete.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Yes, -1 means you hate them all or think the designers  are not worth
> >>>> paying. We have to pay to continue, I’ll foot the bill (donations
> >>>> appreciated) but don’t want to unless people think it will lead to
> >>>> something. For me there are a couple I wouldn’t mind seeing on the
web
> >>> site
> >>>> or swag and yes we do have time to try something completely different,
> >>> and
> >>>> the designers will be more willing since there is a guaranteed payout.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> On Apr 27, 2017, at 3:30 PM, Andrew Musselman <
> >>> andrew.musselman@gmail.com>
> >>>> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> I thought we were just voting on continuing this process :)
> >>>>
> >>>> On Thu, Apr 27, 2017 at 3:22 PM, Trevor Grant <
> >> trevor.d.grant@gmail.com>
> >>>> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> Also Pat, thank you for organizing.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> +0
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I don't love any of them enough to +1, I don't hate them all enough
> to
> >>> -1
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Most of them remind me of some spin on Apache Apex, Python, Numpy
(a
> >>>> Python
> >>>>> Library), or IBM's DSX.  However, I realize a big part of that is
the
> >>>>> colors chosen.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> #143 is my favorite (possibly because it reminds me of none of the
> >>>> above).
> >>>>> But possibly if this goes to next round we can have them adjust
hues
> /
> >>>>> colors.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Trevor Grant
> >>>>> Data Scientist
> >>>>> https://github.com/rawkintrevo
> >>>>> http://stackexchange.com/users/3002022/rawkintrevo
> >>>>> http://trevorgrant.org
> >>>>>
> >>>>> *"Fortunate is he, who is able to know the causes of things."
> >> -Virgil*
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On Thu, Apr 27, 2017 at 5:15 PM, Andrew Musselman <
> >>>>> andrew.musselman@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> +1 to continue; thanks for organizing this Pat!
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> My personal favorite is #38
> >>>>>> https://images-platform.99static.com/I9quDzcBrtJXg_
> >>>>> NMaIsH6ySQ7Ok=/filters:
> >>>>>> quality(100)/99designs-contests-attachments/84/84017/
> >>>> attachment_84017937
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> I like the stylized and simple "M" and it reminds me of diagrams
> >>> showing
> >>>>>> vector multiplication.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> On Thu, Apr 27, 2017 at 12:56 PM, Pat Ferrel <pat@occamsmachete.com
> >
> >>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> We can treat this like a release vote, if anyone hates all
these
> and
> >>>>>>> doesn’t want to continue with shortlisted designers for
3 more days
> >>>>> (the
> >>>>>>> next step) vote -1 and say if your vote is binding (your
are a PMC
> >>>>>> member)
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Otherwise all are welcome to rate everything on the polls
below.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> In this case you have 24 hours to vote
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Here’s my +1 to continue refining.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> On Apr 27, 2017, at 11:41 AM, Pat Ferrel <pat@occamsmachete.com>
> >>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Here is a second group, hopefully picked to be unique.
> >>>>>>> https://99designs.com/contests/poll/vl7xed
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> We got a lot of responses, these 2 polls contain the best
afaict.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> On Apr 27, 2017, at 11:25 AM, Pat Ferrel <pat@occamsmachete.com>
> >>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Vote: https://99designs.com/contests/poll/rqcgif
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> We asked for something “mathy” and asked for no elephant
and rider.
> >> We
> >>>>>>> have the rest of the week to tweak so leave comments about
what you
> >>>>> like
> >>>>>> or
> >>>>>>> would like to change.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> We don’t have to pick one of these, so if you hate them
all, make
> >> that
> >>>>>>> known too.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
>
>

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