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From Karl Wright <daddy...@gmail.com>
Subject Re: CSWS Connector : ServiceConstructionException: Failed to create service
Date Thu, 16 Jan 2020 11:54:55 GMT
We solved the WSDL fetching through HTTPS, or thought we had, by
restructuring the code according to a number of articles we found.  This
was supposedly tested and worked in one installation.  Nobody has ever
reported issues with the wsdls being fetched however; I worry that you may
have a different version of OpenText that is incompatible with the one we
developed against.  That's the problem with this kind of architecture;
unless the wsdls are included in the jar there can be issues.  We tried to
do that too but were unable to get it to work.

Karl


On Thu, Jan 16, 2020 at 5:34 AM Jörn Franke <jornfranke@gmail.com> wrote:

> Ok i fixed the source to fetch WSDL from https (it is not perfect yet as
> it does not use the truststore yet but this I can fix) - I will share later
> in a Jira.
> It is however now unable to locate the imported document
> /Authentication?xsd=2 relative to Authenticaton?wsdl#types1
>
> I will look into this, but if someone has come cross it then please let me
> know.
>
> Am 16.01.2020 um 10:22 schrieb Jörn Franke <jornfranke@gmail.com>:
>
> 
> Coming back to the original topic. I believe SSL was never fully solved
> from what i read in the corresponding issue. Apparently, the fetching of
> the WSDL itself through https was not possible. Do you remember still some
> insights beyond what is written in the issue ?
>
> Am 16.01.2020 um 00:37 schrieb Karl Wright <daddywri@gmail.com>:
>
> 
> Let me think about that option.
>
> Karl
>
>
> On Wed, Jan 15, 2020 at 5:38 PM Jörn Franke <jornfranke@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> We could make it configurable, e.g. in properties.xml. Here people could
>> set it to SSL, TLS, TLSv1.2 (to restrict it to TLS1.2 => some companies may
>> want that!). Is this a viable option? That would be also future proof. We
>> can leave it by default to SSL, but we should put in the example config
>> files TLS by default (so new starters do not get even the idea to use an
>> outdated protocol) AND put a comment with recommendation to use/enforce
>> always newest protocols for security reasons. Of course, the choice is then
>> with the people using the software.
>> Could that be something sensible from your point of view?
>>
>> On Wed, Jan 15, 2020 at 11:14 PM Karl Wright <daddywri@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> It's rather immaterial what browsers do here.  What's important is what
>>> *existing servers* support, since that is what we're connecting with.
>>>
>>> I tend to agree that *most* people have probably upgraded to web servers
>>> that support TLS.  But we can't guarantee it, nor can we assume that people
>>> have upgraded to the most modern version of TLS exclusively.  In fact I
>>> think we can assume they have *not*.  When the SSL issues were discovered a
>>> couple of years back, the standard recommendation was simply to *disable*
>>> SSLv1 and SSLv2, not to upgrade to Java 11 or some such.  We still support
>>> (and have people using!!) early forms of NTLM (v1 to be specific), for
>>> instance.  We're not going to be able to wag the dog here.  Breaking
>>> changes of this kind usually mean we go to a whole new major version of MCF.
>>>
>>> However, if you can show that SSLContext.getSSLFactory("TLS") produces a
>>> SSLSocketFactory that works with all versions of TLS and SSL that do not
>>> have known security holes, I would support changing over to that.  If it
>>> turns out we need much more specificity about the kind of SSLSocketFactory
>>> we produce, then we need a better solution anyhow for handling multiple
>>> protocols in one socket factory.
>>>
>>> Karl
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Jan 15, 2020 at 5:17 AM Jörn Franke <jornfranke@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi Karl,
>>>>
>>>> No it does not. I can look into that further, but Current browsers stop
>>>> supporting anything below TLSv1.2 in March 2020.
>>>> Then TLS exists since more than ten years. I expect any server running
>>>> nowadays will always have tls support.
>>>> SSL itself is not supported since some time now. From a security
>>>> perspective it should even break servers that run only SSL as they are
>>>> inherently insecure and also clients that only support SSL are adding to
>>>> this.
>>>> However if you have an idea how this should be made configurable then I
>>>> can look into this.
>>>>
>>>> Best regards
>>>>
>>>> Am 15.01.2020 um 10:52 schrieb Karl Wright <daddywri@gmail.com>:
>>>>
>>>> 
>>>> Hi,
>>>>
>>>> Mcf currently requires jdk8.  Jdk11 is non trivial to support because
>>>> of the removal of many jdk classes connectors need.  It will be ported at
>>>> some point but not lightly.
>>>>
>>>> Similarly, disabling SSL would certainly break many installations upon
>>>> upgrade  and we do not do that lightly.
>>>>
>>>> The core methods that mcf supplies its connectors should therefore be
>>>> updated to support but not mandate tls.  The protocol specification one
>>>> gives to sslcontext is not a detailed one but rather a major version.  What
>>>> I don't know is whether"tlsv1" also allows for older protocols etc.
>>>>
>>>> Karl
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Jan 15, 2020, 1:19 AM Jörn Franke <jornfranke@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Yes I am doing that but I will need to rebuild.
>>>>> I don’t recommend TLSv1 - this is already outphased and will lock out
>>>>> TLSv1.2. I try TLS only as it includes all TLS protocols (depends on
JDK).
>>>>>
>>>>> SSL will not be supported by this (however as I said there are other
>>>>> parts of the code where there is a getInstance(TLS). And some caveats:
On
>>>>> JDK6+7 TLS only means TLSv1 (and newer TLS Protocols are deactivated)
on
>>>>> JDK8 it means also that newer TLS protocols are enabled.
>>>>> To be honest in my opinion - a SSL only one is a significant security
>>>>> hole and given how old TLS support is JDK i would be surprised if there
is
>>>>> someone using such a server (most Organisations should switch to TLSv1.2
in
>>>>> any case as all protocols below have been broken).
>>>>> While it works for all JDKs - probably JDK8 should be recommended as
>>>>> it seems to have all TLS protocols activated when using „TLS“. Older
JDKs
>>>>> seem to deactivate TLSv1.1 and TLSv1.2 when using TLS. I will write more
>>>>> about this in the JIRA, once I verified that this solves the problem.
>>>>> Then TLSv1.3 is JDK11 only - I will investigate what that implies.
>>>>> Does ManifoldCf supports JDK11?
>>>>>
>>>>> Am 15.01.2020 um 00:08 schrieb Karl Wright <daddywri@gmail.com>:
>>>>>
>>>>> 
>>>>> I think you can just change the code to read as follows when it
>>>>> creates the SSLContext:
>>>>>
>>>>> SSLContext ctx = SSLContext.getInstance("TLSv1");
>>>>> I don't know if TLS will downgrade to SSL if that's all that's available.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Karl
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, Jan 14, 2020 at 6:02 PM Jörn Franke <jornfranke@gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Yes it you do not change this setting as what I suspect happens here.
>>>>>> See my previous mail for details.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Am 14.01.2020 um 23:51 schrieb Karl Wright <daddywri@gmail.com>:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> It looks looks TLS is actually enabled in the SSLSocketFactory
>>>>>> framework based on how you create the SSLSocketContext.  See:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://docs.oracle.com/cd/E19698-01/816-7609/security-83/index.html
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Karl
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Tue, Jan 14, 2020 at 5:48 PM Karl Wright <daddywri@gmail.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The design of ManifoldCF deliberately manages keystores on a
>>>>>>> connection by connection basis, not globally.  If you think the
only way to
>>>>>>> implement TLS is via global keystore I very much doubt it.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I am on the road until late tomorrow but somewhere along the
line I
>>>>>>> can do some research into why TLS won't work as we are currently
doing it.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Karl
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Tue, Jan 14, 2020 at 12:56 PM Jörn Franke <jornfranke@gmail.com>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> These are TLS only. So maybe you have other servers where
tls and
>>>>>>>> ssl are possible and it downgrades to ssl.however, this is
speculation and
>>>>>>>> I need to verify it. I have to rebuilt manifold for that.
Probably I have
>>>>>>>> to reinstall everything as the keystorefactory is a dependency
in the
>>>>>>>> connector.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Am 14.01.2020 um 18:34 schrieb Karl Wright <daddywri@gmail.com>:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> If you can recommend changes to support TLS, that would be
great.
>>>>>>>> The basic infrastructure should still work; it is just a
custom keystone
>>>>>>>> and associated SSLSocketFactory, which I think also is used
for TLS
>>>>>>>> connections, unless I am missing something.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Tue, Jan 14, 2020, 9:38 AM Jörn Franke <jornfranke@gmail.com>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Yes this works fine. I believe the error comes from the
fact that
>>>>>>>>> TLS connections are not supported.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Am 14.01.2020 um 15:31 schrieb Michael Cizmar <
>>>>>>>>> michael.cizmar@mcplusa.com>:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> If you want to test the url and the ssl, I would recommend
>>>>>>>>> attempting using SSLPoke to confirm that they keystore
is setup properly:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> https://github.com/MichalHecko/SSLPoke
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Michael
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> *From: *Karl Wright <daddywri@gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>> *Reply-To: *"user@manifoldcf.apache.org" <
>>>>>>>>> user@manifoldcf.apache.org>
>>>>>>>>> *Date: *Tuesday, January 14, 2020 at 7:21 AM
>>>>>>>>> *To: *"user@manifoldcf.apache.org" <user@manifoldcf.apache.org>
>>>>>>>>> *Subject: *Re: CSWS Connector : ServiceConstructionException:
>>>>>>>>> Failed to create service
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Hmm, others have succeeded setting up SSL connections
with the
>>>>>>>>> current code.  Hoping they chime in here.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Karl
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Jan 14, 2020, 8:19 AM Jörn Franke <jornfranke@gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> It seems that it has indeed a certificate issue as it
cannot find
>>>>>>>>> a valid certification path to the target. The thing is:
I added those
>>>>>>>>> certificates in the UI should it should not happen.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Am 10.01.2020 um 20:51 schrieb Jörn Franke <jornfranke@gmail.com>:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> 2.15 ...
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I will try on the weekend to see if I can get some logs
out of it.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Am 10.01.2020 um 19:02 schrieb Karl Wright <daddywri@gmail.com>:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Can I ask what version of MCF you are using?  There were
issues
>>>>>>>>> with SSL in the first release of the csws connector if
I recall correctly,
>>>>>>>>> that were fixed for the second release.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Karl
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Jan 10, 2020 at 11:42 AM Jörn Franke <jornfranke@gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I added root, intermediate and server certificate (in
base64 cer,
>>>>>>>>> it seems to be recognized by manifoldcf), but I still
get the same message.
>>>>>>>>> I will try to get somehow the full stacktrace
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Am 10.01.2020 um 17:21 schrieb Karl Wright <daddywri@gmail.com>:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> If you are using SSL you need to have the proper certificate
saved
>>>>>>>>> in the connection's keystore.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Karl
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Jan 10, 2020 at 11:20 AM Jörn Franke <jornfranke@gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> It is actually a server using configuration of the command
-
>>>>>>>>> driven multi-process model (but the agents executed as
a service and the
>>>>>>>>> war on a tomcat executed as a service) under Linux.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I thought as well that it cannot reach the webservices,
the
>>>>>>>>> question is why. On the same server I can reach the webservices
and fetch
>>>>>>>>> the WSDL without issues.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Maybe sth related to ssl ?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Am 10.01.2020 um 14:59 schrieb Karl Wright <daddywri@gmail.com>:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> How are you running manifoldcf?  Single process example,
or a
>>>>>>>>> custom setup of some kind?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> This exception is a "catch all" exception generated far
below
>>>>>>>>> anything in ManifoldCF, but usually means it cannot download
the WSDLs from
>>>>>>>>> the service.  Getting the full exception dumped in the
log requires a
>>>>>>>>> "hack" to the check() method of the connector, but I'm
pretty sure that's
>>>>>>>>> what's happening anyway.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Karl
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Jan 10, 2020 at 8:50 AM Jörn Franke <jornfranke@gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I tried to use the CSWS connector, but already for the
Authority
>>>>>>>>> connection I receive a
>>>>>>>>> org.apache.cxf.service.factory.ServiceConstructionException:
Failed to
>>>>>>>>> create service.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Unfortunately I don’t see more details , also not in
the log
>>>>>>>>> (debug is activated). I try to get a little bit more
output by modifying
>>>>>>>>> the connector, but maybe someone has already an idea
why this can happen?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Are there some special instructions to use it? The pointers
to the
>>>>>>>>> webservices are correct, I tested via Curl and SOAPUI.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Thank you.
>>>>>>>>> Best regards
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>

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