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From "Zeolla@GMail.com" <zeo...@gmail.com>
Subject Re: [DISCUSS] Metron release 0.4.1
Date Sat, 02 Sep 2017 02:14:29 GMT
Looks like METRON-1134 made it in already and I just gave METRON-1129
a +1.  Just waiting on Ryan's feedback to merge it in.

Jon

On Thu, Aug 31, 2017 at 3:11 PM Matt Foley <mfoley@hortonworks.com> wrote:

> Please mark them 0.4.1, as that’s what the community says we want to call
> the upcoming release, and everything that’s there when I throw the switch
> will be included.
>
> Jon and Anand, will they be in by end/day Friday?
> Thanks,
> --Matt
>
> On 8/31/17, 7:45 AM, "Nick Allen" <nick@nickallen.org> wrote:
>
>     Matt, et al - For JIRAs that are going into master, should we be
> marking
>     these as "Next + 1" or "0.4.1" ?
>
>     On Thu, Aug 31, 2017 at 8:17 AM Zeolla@GMail.com <zeolla@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>     > Can I advocate to get METRON-1129 in the RC, and throw in a second
> vote for
>     > METRON-1134?  Both in an attempt to better support of prod/offline
> use.
>     > Happy to provide testing cycles for the former.
>     >
>     > Jon
>     >
>     > On Wed, Aug 30, 2017 at 11:41 AM Anand Subramanian <
>     > asubramanian@hortonworks.com> wrote:
>     >
>     > > Hi Matt,
>     > >
>     > > This defect needs to be included as a follow-on to METRON-1122:
>     > > * METRON-1141 (https://github.com/apache/metron/pull/723)
>     > >
>     > >
>     > > Thanks,
>     > > Anand
>     > >
>     > >
>     > >
>     > > On 8/30/17, 8:57 PM, "Michael Miklavcic" <
> michael.miklavcic@gmail.com>
>     > > wrote:
>     > >
>     > > >I have some work around fixing how we handle config with Ambari
> that I'd
>     > > >like to see go in. No PR yet, but coming soon. I expect to have
> this by
>     > > the
>     > > >RC deadline.
>     > > >
>     > > >Mike
>     > > >
>     > > >On Wed, Aug 30, 2017 at 8:57 AM, Nick Allen <nick@nickallen.org>
> wrote:
>     > > >
>     > > >> The following PRs are usability enhancements for the Profiler.
> They
>     > are
>     > > >> fairly simple and I think are very helpful for
> troubleshooting.  I
>     > don't
>     > > >> want to hold up the release, but it would be a "nice to have"
> to get
>     > > these
>     > > >> in.
>     > > >>
>     > > >> If anyone has cycles, I would appreciate some reviews of these
> PRs.
>     > > >> https://github.com/apache/metron/pull/721
>     > > >> https://github.com/apache/metron/pull/716
>     > > >>
>     > > >>
>     > > >>
>     > > >> On Tue, Aug 29, 2017 at 8:59 PM Matt Foley <mattf@apache.org>
> wrote:
>     > > >>
>     > > >> > Okay, just to be clear, you’re requesting we wait until
> Friday, if
>     > > >> > necessary, to cut an RC with 717 in it?
>     > > >> > Thanks,
>     > > >> > --Matt
>     > > >> >
>     > > >> > On 8/29/17, 11:45 AM, "Casey Stella" <cestella@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>     > > >> >
>     > > >> >     709 is in and 717 is under concerted review by Otto.
 I'd
> like
>     > to
>     > > see
>     > > >> > it in
>     > > >> >     by Friday.
>     > > >> >
>     > > >> >     On Tue, Aug 29, 2017 at 1:35 PM, Matt Foley <
> mattf@apache.org>
>     > > >> wrote:
>     > > >> >
>     > > >> >     > Hi all,
>     > > >> >     > Thanks for your inputs.  The three PRs Nick mentioned
> have
>     > been
>     > > >> >     > successfully closed.
>     > > >> >     > Casey, do you have an ETA for these two PRs? (PR#709
> and 717)
>     > > >> >     > Thanks,
>     > > >> >     > --Matt
>     > > >> >     >
>     > > >> >     > On 8/29/17, 9:34 AM, "Casey Stella" <cestella@gmail.com
> >
>     > wrote:
>     > > >> >     >
>     > > >> >     >     For my PRs, I'd vote for METRON-1122 being in
> (commit very
>     > > >> > imminent).
>     > > >> >     >     I'd very much like METRON-1134 to be in as well.
>     > > >> >     >
>     > > >> >     >     Beyond that, I'm ok
>     > > >> >     >
>     > > >> >     >     On Tue, Aug 22, 2017 at 4:37 PM, Nick Allen
<
>     > > >> nick@nickallen.org>
>     > > >> >     > wrote:
>     > > >> >     >
>     > > >> >     >     > Thanks for starting the process, Matt.
>     > > >> >     >     >
>     > > >> >     >     > These are my own open PRs that I would
most like
> to see
>     > > get
>     > > >> in.
>     > > >> >     > They all
>     > > >> >     >     > relate to the Profiler. My other outstanding
PRs
> are
>     > less
>     > > >> > important.
>     > > >> >     >     >
>     > > >> >     >     >    - https://github.com/apache/metron/pull/705
>     > > >> >     >     >    - https://github.com/apache/metron/pull/707
>     > > >> >     >     >    - https://github.com/apache/metron/pull/708
>     > > >> >     >     >
>     > > >> >     >     >
>     > > >> >     >     >
>     > > >> >     >     >
>     > > >> >     >     >
>     > > >> >     >     > On Tue, Aug 22, 2017 at 4:17 PM Matt Foley
<
>     > > mattf@apache.org
>     > > >> >
>     > > >> > wrote:
>     > > >> >     >     >
>     > > >> >     >     > > Hello all,
>     > > >> >     >     > > At the meeting this morning, the community
> expressed
>     > the
>     > > >> > wish to
>     > > >> >     > create a
>     > > >> >     >     > > new release, to be a point release
and not
> including
>     > > >> > METRON-777.
>     > > >> >     >     > >
>     > > >> >     >     > > Therefore, I propose to create release
0.4.1
> from
>     > Metron
>     > > >> > master
>     > > >> >     > branch,
>     > > >> >     >     > > with whatever additional commits the
community
>     > considers
>     > > >> > vital and
>     > > >> >     > can
>     > > >> >     >     > get
>     > > >> >     >     > > in in the next few days.
>     > > >> >     >     > >
>     > > >> >     >     > > There have been 74 commits since the
0.4.0
> release
>     > (list
>     > > >> > appended
>     > > >> >     > to end
>     > > >> >     >     > > of this message).
>     > > >> >     >     > > I have not yet done a compare to make
sure all
> 74
>     > > completed
>     > > >> >     > commits have
>     > > >> >     >     > > closed their Jiras, but I will follow
up with
> that
>     > info.
>     > > >> >     >     > >
>     > > >> >     >     > > There are 35 open PRs, see
>     > > >> > https://github.com/apache/metron/pulls
>     > > >> >     > ,
>     > > >> >     >     > which
>     > > >> >     >     > > is getting a little clunky.  Surely
not all of
> them
>     > can
>     > > get
>     > > >> > in in
>     > > >> >     > the
>     > > >> >     >     > next
>     > > >> >     >     > > few days, but do we want to try to
close and
> include
>     > > some
>     > > >> of
>     > > >> > them?
>     > > >> >     >     > >
>     > > >> >     >     > > Please respond to the list with your
requests to
>     > include
>     > > >> > specific
>     > > >> >     >     > > additional PRs before we cut the 0.4.1
release
>     > > candidate.
>     > > >> > Let’s
>     > > >> >     > keep it
>     > > >> >     >     > > practical so we don’t delay more
than a week or
> so.
>     > > >> >     >     > >
>     > > >> >     >     > > TIMEFRAME:  Tentatively I would like
to start
> the
>     > > process
>     > > >> of
>     > > >> >     > cutting an
>     > > >> >     >     > RC
>     > > >> >     >     > > this coming Monday 28 August.  If
we have too
> many PRs
>     > > >> > required to
>     > > >> >     > be in,
>     > > >> >     >     > > we may have to slip that.  Likewise,
if there
> is need
>     > > for
>     > > >> > urgency,
>     > > >> >     > I can
>     > > >> >     >     > > start as soon as tomorrow.  We will
be guided
> by your
>     > > >> > responses.
>     > > >> >     >     > >
>     > > >> >     >     > > Thanks,
>     > > >> >     >     > > --Matt
>     > > >> >     >     > > (Release Manager)
>     > > >> >     >     > >
>     > > >> >     >     > > COMPLETED PRs as of 22 Aug 2017:
>     > > >> >     >     > >     METRON-1115 Jackson is not properly
> serializing
>     > > >> > readMetadata
>     > > >> >     > and
>     > > >> >     >     > > mergeMetadata SensorParserConfig properties
>     > (merrimanr)
>     > > >> > closes
>     > > >> >     >     > > apache/metron#703
>     > > >> >     >     > >     METRON-1047 REST should use core-site.xml
> for
>     > Hadoop
>     > > >> >     > configuration
>     > > >> >     >     > > (merrimanr) closes apache/metron#672
>     > > >> >     >     > >     METRON-1111 Mislabeled Configuration
> Property in
>     > > Ambari
>     > > >> >     > (nickwallen)
>     > > >> >     >     > > closes apache/metron#698
>     > > >> >     >     > >     METRON-1113 UpdateControllerIntegrationTest
> fails
>     > > with
>     > > >> > 500
>     > > >> >     > error
>     > > >> >     >     > > (merrimanr) closes apache/metron#701
>     > > >> >     >     > >     METRON-711 StellarShell assigns
variables
> even if
>     > an
>     > > >> > exception
>     > > >> >     > was
>     > > >> >     >     > > thrown in the statement. (ottobackwards)
closes
>     > > >> > apache/metron#686
>     > > >> >     >     > >     METRON-1110 REST jvm flags property
is being
>     > > >> overwritten
>     > > >> > when
>     > > >> >     >     > Kerberos
>     > > >> >     >     > > is enabled (merrimanr) closes apache/metron#697
>     > > >> >     >     > >     METRON-739 Create Local Profile
Runner
>     > (nickwallen)
>     > > >> > closes
>     > > >> >     >     > > apache/metron#693
>     > > >> >     >     > >     METRON-1109 Indexing topology
fails to
> start after
>     > > >> > Kerberos is
>     > > >> >     >     > enabled
>     > > >> >     >     > > (merrimanr) closes apache/metron#696
>     > > >> >     >     > >     METRON-1108 Metron configuration
tabs are
> not
>     > > showing
>     > > >> up
>     > > >> > in
>     > > >> >     > Ambari
>     > > >> >     >     > > this closes apache/incubator-metron#695
>     > > >> >     >     > >     METRON-1078 Metron Indexing fails
to stop
> during
>     > > >> > &quot;Stop All
>     > > >> >     >     > > Services&quot; (dlyle65535) closes
> apache/metron#680
>     > > >> >     >     > >     METRON-1104 Build Failure - Due
to Bootstrap
>     > version
>     > > >> > change
>     > > >> >     >     > > (iraghumitra via justinleet) closes
> apache/metron#691
>     > > >> >     >     > >     METRON-1094 MaaS will not start
due to
> classpath
>     > > error
>     > > >> >     > relating to
>     > > >> >     >     > > Yarn closes apache/incubator-metron#688
>     > > >> >     >     > >     METRON-1102 Add support for ingesting
cybox
> URI
>     > > >> > observables
>     > > >> >     > from
>     > > >> >     >     > taxii
>     > > >> >     >     > > feeds closes apache/incubator-metron#689
>     > > >> >     >     > >     METRON-838 Incorrect set of ts
in FireEye
> parser
>     > > >> (bjigmp
>     > > >> > via
>     > > >> >     >     > > justinleet) closes apache/metron#528
>     > > >> >     >     > >     METRON-322 Global Batching and
Flushing
>     > > (mattf-horton)
>     > > >> > closes
>     > > >> >     >     > > apache/metron#481
>     > > >> >     >     > >     METRON-988 UI for viewing alerts
generated
> by
>     > Metron
>     > > >> >     > (iraghumitra
>     > > >> >     >     > via
>     > > >> >     >     > > nickwallen) closes apache/metron#620
>     > > >> >     >     > >     METRON-1084 Management UI web
server license
>     > should
>     > > be
>     > > >> > Apache
>     > > >> >     >     > > (merrimanr) closes apache/metron#683
>     > > >> >     >     > >     METRON-1026 threatintel_taxii_load.sh
throws
>     > > exception
>     > > >> > closes
>     > > >> >     >     > > apache/incubator-metron#643
>     > > >> >     >     > >     METRON-1051 Enable the ability
to update
> indexed
>     > > >> messages
>     > > >> >     > closes
>     > > >> >     >     > > apache/incubator-metron#666
>     > > >> >     >     > >     METRON-1069 Ambari MPack documentation
> around
>     > > >> development
>     > > >> >     > strategies
>     > > >> >     >     > > (justinleet) closes apache/metron#1069
>     > > >> >     >     > >     METRON-1069 Ambari MPack documentation
> around
>     > > >> development
>     > > >> >     > strategies
>     > > >> >     >     > > (merrimanr via justinleet) closes
> apache/metron#1069
>     > > >> >     >     > >     METRON-1069 Ambari MPack documentation
> around
>     > > >> development
>     > > >> >     > strategies
>     > > >> >     >     > > (justinleet) closes apache/metron#1069
>     > > >> >     >     > >     METRON-1076 Management UI status
check
> always
>     > > reports
>     > > >> the
>     > > >> >     > service as
>     > > >> >     >     > > running (merrimanr) closes apache/metron#678
>     > > >> >     >     > >     METRON-1075 Add faceted search
capabilities
>     > > (merrimanr)
>     > > >> > closes
>     > > >> >     >     > > apache/metron#679
>     > > >> >     >     > >     METRON-379 Stellar - No Error
When Adding
>     > Variables
>     > > >> That
>     > > >> > Do
>     > > >> >     > Not Exist
>     > > >> >     >     > > (ottobackwards) closes apache/metron#675
>     > > >> >     >     > >     METRON-1038 Stellar should have
a better
>     > collection
>     > > of
>     > > >> > basic
>     > > >> >     > math
>     > > >> >     >     > > operations closes apache/incubator-metron#650
>     > > >> >     >     > >     METRON-1072 Cleanup Maven build
warnings
>     > (mmiklavc)
>     > > >> > closes
>     > > >> >     >     > > apache/metron#676
>     > > >> >     >     > >     METRON-1056 Get field types from
> Elasticsearch
>     > > >> > (merrimanr)
>     > > >> >     > closes
>     > > >> >     >     > > apache/metron#662
>     > > >> >     >     > >     METRON-1011 Stellar ENRICHMENT
functions
> should
>     > > enforce
>     > > >> >     > submission of
>     > > >> >     >     > > 4 parameters (jasper-k via ottobackwards)
closes
>     > > >> > apache/metron#628
>     > > >> >     >     > >     METRON-975 Normalize logging and
switch to
> common
>     > > idiom
>     > > >> > with
>     > > >> >     > SLF4J
>     > > >> >     >     > > (mmiklavc) closes apache/metron#599
>     > > >> >     >     > >     METRON-681 CSVConverter should
trim values
> (basvdl
>     > > via
>     > > >> >     > ottobackwards)
>     > > >> >     >     > > closes apache/metron#674
>     > > >> >     >     > >     METRON-746 Build Custom Checkstyle
and IDE
>     > > formatting
>     > > >> > settings
>     > > >> >     >     > > (justinleet via mmiklavc) closes
> apache/metron#577
>     > > >> >     >     > >     METRON-1060 Add performance timing
logging
> to
>     > > >> enrichment
>     > > >> >     > topology
>     > > >> >     >     > > (mmiklavc) closes apache/metron#665
>     > > >> >     >     > >     METRON-982 REST STORM Support
for supervisor
>     > summary
>     > > >> >     > (ottobackwards)
>     > > >> >     >     > > closes apache/metron#607
>     > > >> >     >     > >     METRON-1064 Make init script OS-agnostic
>     > (merrimanr)
>     > > >> > closes
>     > > >> >     >     > > apache/metron#669
>     > > >> >     >     > >     METRON-984 Create STELLAR Decoding
Functions
>     > > >> > (ottobackwards)
>     > > >> >     > closes
>     > > >> >     >     > > apache/metron#642
>     > > >> >     >     > >     METRON-1067 Minor typo in documentation
>     > > (spencer-hanson
>     > > >> > via
>     > > >> >     >     > > justinleet) closes apache/metron#671
>     > > >> >     >     > >     METRON-1018 Integration tests
should
> reference
>     > flux
>     > > >> yaml
>     > > >> > and
>     > > >> >     > property
>     > > >> >     >     > > files deployed by Ambari (merrimanr)
closes
>     > > >> apache/metron#635
>     > > >> >     >     > >     METRON-1050 Improve Docs of
>     > > `profiler.period.duration`
>     > > >> >     > (nickwallen)
>     > > >> >     >     > > closes apache/metron#656
>     > > >> >     >     > >     METRON-1043 Profiler Should be
Less
> Dramatic When
>     > > >> Missing
>     > > >> >     >     > > Configuration (nickwallen) closes
> apache/metron#655
>     > > >> >     >     > >     METRON-1053 Relocate Metron Docker
> (nickwallen)
>     > > closes
>     > > >> >     >     > > apache/metron#659
>     > > >> >     >     > >     METRON-1058 address checkstyle
warnings for
>     > > >> > UnusedImports in
>     > > >> >     >     > > metron-stellar (dbist via ottobackwards)
closes
>     > > >> > apache/metron#663
>     > > >> >     >     > >     METRON-1035 Added SUM to the rules
triage
>     > > aggregation
>     > > >> > docs
>     > > >> >     > closes
>     > > >> >     >     > > apache/incubator-metron#649
>     > > >> >     >     > >     METRON-1039 Add ZIP function to
Stellar
> closes
>     > > >> >     >     > > apache/incubator-metron#652
>     > > >> >     >     > >     METRON-1054 Ambari Mpack Attempts
to Kill
>     > Topologies
>     > > >> > That Are
>     > > >> >     > Not
>     > > >> >     >     > > Running (nickwallen) closes apache/metron#660
>     > > >> >     >     > >     METRON-992: Create performance
tuning guide
>     > > (mmiklavc)
>     > > >> > closes
>     > > >> >     >     > > apache/metron#614
>     > > >> >     >     > >     METRON-1044 Disabled writers are
not acking
>     > messages
>     > > >> >     > (merrimanr)
>     > > >> >     >     > > closes apache/metron#654
>     > > >> >     >     > >     METRON-1022 Elasticsearch REST
endpoint this
>     > closes
>     > > >> >     >     > > apache/incubator-metron#636
>     > > >> >     >     > >     METRON-1048 Intermittent Test
Failure for
>     > > >> >     >     > > SimpleHBaseEnrichmentWriterLoggingTest
> (nickwallen)
>     > > closes
>     > > >> >     >     > apache/metron#658
>     > > >> >     >     > >     METRON-1029 Topology worker opts
are not
> being set
>     > > when
>     > > >> >     > Kerberos is
>     > > >> >     >     > > enabled (merrimanr) closes apache/metron#645
>     > > >> >     >     > >     METRON-1031 Management UI Cannot
Start
> Topologies
>     > in
>     > > >> > Kerberized
>     > > >> >     >     > > Environment (nickwallen) closes
> apache/metron#647
>     > > >> >     >     > >     METRON-1008 Migrate Travis build
to use
> Trusty
>     > > (jjmeyer
>     > > >> > via
>     > > >> >     >     > > justinleet) closes apache/metron#633
>     > > >> >     >     > >     METRON-633 Create better logging
for
>     > > >> > HbaseEnrichmentWriter
>     > > >> >     > (zezutom
>     > > >> >     >     > > via justinleet) closes apache/metron#572
>     > > >> >     >     > >     METRON-1003 ParserUtil parses
dates
> incorrect
>     > > (bjigmp
>     > > >> via
>     > > >> >     > justinleet)
>     > > >> >     >     > > closes apache/metron#623
>     > > >> >     >     > >     METRON-1040 Create Installation
> Instructions for
>     > the
>     > > >> > Profiler
>     > > >> >     >     > > (nickwallen) closes apache/metron#653
>     > > >> >     >     > >     METRON-833 Update MaaS documentation
to
> explain
>     > how
>     > > it
>     > > >> >     > interacts with
>     > > >> >     >     > > kerberos (cestella via justinleet)
closes
>     > > apache/metron#520
>     > > >> >     >     > >     METRON-1033 Profiler example uses
incorrect
> units
>     > > for
>     > > >> > expires
>     > > >> >     >     > > (simonellistonball via nickwallen)
closes
>     > > apache/metron#648
>     > > >> >     >     > >     METRON-1019 Metron 0.4.0 manual
> installation guide
>     > > for
>     > > >> > CentOS 6
>     > > >> >     >     > > (lvets via ottobackwards) closes
> apache/metron#631
>     > > >> >     >     > >     METRON-1013 StellarShell does
not validate
>     > > parameters
>     > > >> >     > (ottobackwards)
>     > > >> >     >     > > closes apache/metron#639
>     > > >> >     >     > >     METRON-1017 Ambari components
should be
> separate
>     > > >> > (merrimanr)
>     > > >> >     > closes
>     > > >> >     >     > > apache/metron#634
>     > > >> >     >     > >     METRON-933 STELLAR support for
setting
> fields to
>     > > regex
>     > > >> > match
>     > > >> >     > captures
>     > > >> >     >     > > (ottobackwards) closes apache/metron#638
>     > > >> >     >     > >     METRON-1001 Allow metron to ingest
parser
> metadata
>     > > >> along
>     > > >> > with
>     > > >> >     > data
>     > > >> >     >     > > closes apache/incubator-metron#621
>     > > >> >     >     > >     METRON-1027 Errant Log Message
When No
> GeoIP Hit
>     > on
>     > > >> > Valid,
>     > > >> >     > External
>     > > >> >     >     > > IPv4 Address (nickwallen) closes
> apache/metron#644
>     > > >> >     >     > >     METRON-1025 Metron github pr template
> should not
>     > > >> > reference
>     > > >> >     > incubator
>     > > >> >     >     > > (ottobackwards) closes apache/metron#640
>     > > >> >     >     > >     METRON-1021 increment metron version
number
> to
>     > > 0.4.1 in
>     > > >> > poms
>     > > >> >     > etc
>     > > >> >     >     > > (mattf-horton) closes apache/metron#637
>     > > >> >     >     > >     METRON-986 Enhance Fastcapa to
Support
> Intel X520
>     > > >> > (nickwallen)
>     > > >> >     > closes
>     > > >> >     >     > > apache/metron#608
>     > > >> >     >     > >     METRON-1012 Update Metron public
web site
> for
>     > 0.4.0
>     > > >> > release
>     > > >> >     >     > > (mattf-horton) closes apache/metron#629
>     > > >> >     >     > >     METRON-1014 StellarShell class
name typo
>     > > (mattf-horton)
>     > > >> > closes
>     > > >> >     >     > > apache/metron#630
>     > > >> >     >     > >     METRON-990 Clean up and organize
flux
> properties
>     > > >> > (merrimanr)
>     > > >> >     > closes
>     > > >> >     >     > > apache/metron#613
>     > > >> >     >     > >     METRON-508 Expand Elasticsearch
templates to
>     > support
>     > > >> the
>     > > >> >     > standard bro
>     > > >> >     >     > > logs (JonZeolla) closes apache/metron#586
>     > > >> >     >     > >     METRON-1007 Ship the metron-management
jar
> as part
>     > > of
>     > > >> > the mpack
>     > > >> >     >     > > install (ottobackwards) closes apache/metron#627
>     > > >> >     >     > >     METRON-877 Extract core implementation
and
> UDF
>     > > support,
>     > > >> > create
>     > > >> >     >     > > metron-stellar module (mattf-horton)
closes
>     > > >> apache/metron#616
>     > > >> >     >     > >     METRON-1004 Travis CI - Job Exceeded
> Maximum Time
>     > > Limit
>     > > >> >     > (justinleet)
>     > > >> >     >     > > closes apache/metron#624
>     > > >> >     >     > >     METRON-999 Add virtualization
support
> checks to
>     > > >> >     > platform-info.sh
>     > > >> >     >     > > (JonZeolla via jonzeolla) closes
> apache/metron#618
>     > > >> >     >     > >
>     > > >> >     >     > >
>     > > >> >     >     > >
>     > > >> >     >     > >
>     > > >> >     >     > >
>     > > >> >     >     >
>     > > >> >     >
>     > > >> >     >
>     > > >> >     >
>     > > >> >     >
>     > > >> >
>     > > >> >
>     > > >> >
>     > > >> >
>     > > >>
>     > >
>     > --
>     >
>     > Jon
>     >
>
>
> --

Jon

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