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From Kyle Richardson <kylerichards...@gmail.com>
Subject Re: [DISCUSS] Community Meetings
Date Thu, 14 Dec 2017 19:03:17 GMT
+1 Thanks for organizing, Otto!

-Kyle

On Thu, Dec 14, 2017 at 1:56 PM, Zeolla@GMail.com <zeolla@gmail.com> wrote:

> This sounds great Otto, thanks.
>
> Jon
>
> On Thu, Dec 14, 2017 at 11:24 AM Laurens Vets <laurens@daemon.be> wrote:
>
> >
> > Sounds good to me :)
> >
> > On 2017-12-14 05:59, Otto Fowler wrote:
> > > Ok,
> > >
> > > So we will be concerned with two types of meetings.  I’ll take
> > > responsibility for calling the meetings and ‘moderation’.
> > >
> > > Dev meetings
> > >  - feedback on how things are going overall
> > >  - discussions on specific technical problems
> > >  - discussion of possible improvements
> > >
> > > User meetings
> > >  - demos
> > >  - user content ( how I’m using metron )
> > >  - some unavoidable discussion on problems
> > >  - some requirements gathering triage
> > >
> > > ALL
> > >  - I will call
> > >  - I will gather input for agenda
> > >  - I will distribute the agenda
> > >  - I will distribute the notes to the list and on confluence
> > >  - No decisions will be made, only discussed and then put to list
> > >  - besides general nodes, breakout messages for topical discussion or
> > > decisions
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > How does that sound?
> > >
> > >
> > > On December 13, 2017 at 16:41:29, Otto Fowler (ottobackwards@gmail.com
> )
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > +1
> > >
> > >
> > > On December 13, 2017 at 16:39:52, James Sirota (jsirota@apache.org)
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > I can set up a dedicated Zoom room with a recurrent meeting and give
> > > PMC
> > > members rights to the room. I think hosting these meetings should not
> > > be a
> > > problem. I would vote not to record them, but rather provide the notes
> > > after the meeting. It's a lot easier to skim through the notes than
> > > jump
> > > around in a recording. As Simon mentioned, I would also make it
> > > explicitly
> > > clear that the meetings are dev meetings. These are not user Q&A and
> > > are
> > > not meant to be overviews of how different features of Metron work. If
> > > we
> > > want to do feature demos or provide user content I would want that to
> > > be in
> > > its own separate meeting.
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > > James
> > >
> > > 13.12.2017, 05:00, "Otto Fowler" <ottobackwards@gmail.com>:
> > >> I am ok with just notes and no recording.
> > >>
> > >> On December 13, 2017 at 04:37:20, Simon Elliston Ball (
> > >> simon@simonellistonball.com) wrote:
> > >>
> > >> Good points Larry, we would need to get consent from everyone on the
> > >> call
> > >> to record to properly comply with regulations in some countries. We
> > >> would
> > >> definitely need someone to step up as note taker.
> > >>
> > >> Something else to think about is intended audience. Previously we’ve
> > >> had
> > >> meeting like this which have been very detailed Dev@ focussed (which
> > >> is a
> > >> great thing) but have rather alienated participants in User@ land. We
> > >> need
> > >> to make it clear what level we’re talking about to be inclusive.
> > >>
> > >> Simon
> > >>
> > >>>  On 13 Dec 2017, at 00:44, larry mccay <lmccay@apache.org> wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>>  Not sure about posting the recordings - you will need to check and
> > >>> make
> > >>>  sure that doesn't violate anything.
> > >>>
> > >>>  Just a friendly reminder...
> > >>>  It is important that meetings have notes and a summary that is sent
> > >>> out
> > >>>  describing topics to be decided on the mailing list.
> > >>>  No decisions can be made in the community meeting itself - this
> > >>> gives
> > >>>  others in other timezones and commitments review and voice in the
> > >>
> > >> decisions.
> > >>>  If it didn't happen on the mailing lists then it didn't happen. :)
> > >>>
> > >>>  On Tue, Dec 12, 2017 at 1:39 PM, Simon Elliston Ball <
> > >>>  simon@simonellistonball.com> wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>>>  Yes, I do.
> > >>>>
> > >>>>  I suspect the best bet will be to post recordings somewhere on
the
> > >>>>  apache.org <http://apache.org/> metron site.
> > >>>>
> > >>>>  Simon
> > >>>>
> > >>>>>  On 12 Dec 2017, at 18:36, Otto Fowler <ottobackwards@gmail.com>
> > >>>>> wrote:
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>  Excellent, do you have the > 40 min + record option?
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>  On December 12, 2017 at 13:19:55, Simon Elliston Ball (
> > >>>>>  simon@simonellistonball.com) wrote:
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>  Happy to volunteer a zoom room. That seems to have worked
for most
> > >>>>> in
> > >>
> > >> the
> > >>>>>  past.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>  Simon
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>>  On 12 Dec 2017, at 18:09, Otto Fowler <ottobackwards@gmail.com>
> > > wrote:
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>>  Thanks! I think I’d like something hosted though.
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>>  On December 12, 2017 at 11:18:52, Ahmed Shah (
> > >>>>  ahmedshah@cmail.carleton.ca)
> > >>>>>>  wrote:
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>>  Hello,
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>>  wrt "- How are we going to host it"...
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>>  I've used BigBlueButton as an end user at our University.
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>>  It is LGPL open source.
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>>  https://bigbluebutton.org/
> > >>>>>>  https://bigbluebutton.org/developers/
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>>  -Ahmed
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>>  _______________________________________________________________
> > >>>>>>  Ahmed Shah (PMP, M. Eng.)
> > >>>>>>  Cybersecurity Analyst & Developer
> > >>>>>>  GCR - Cybersecurity Operations Center
> > >>>>>>  Carleton University -
> > >>>>>> cugcr.com<https://cugcr.com/tiki/lce/index.php>
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>>  ________________________________
> > >>>>>>  From: Otto Fowler <ottobackwards@gmail.com>
> > >>>>>>  Sent: December 11, 2017 4:41 PM
> > >>>>>>  To: dev@metron.apache.org
> > >>>>>>  Subject: [DISCUSS] Community Meetings
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>>  I think that we all want to have regular community meetings.
We
> > >>>>>> may
> > > be
> > >>>>>>  better able to keep to a regular schedule with these meetings
if
> > >>>>>> we
> > >>>>>  spread
> > >>>>>>  out the responsibility for them from James and Casey,
both of
> > >>>>>> whom
> > >>
> > >> have
> > >>>>  a
> > >>>>>>  lot on their plate already.
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>>  I would be willing to coordinate and run the meetings,
and would
> > >>
> > >> welcome
> > >>>>>>  anyone else who wants to help when they can.
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>>  The only issue for me is I do not have a web-ex account
that I
> > >>>>>> can
> > > use
> > >>>>  to
> > >>>>>>  hold the meeting. So I’ll need some recommendations
for a
> > >>>>>> suitable
> > >>>>>>  alternative. I have not been able to find an Apache Friendly
> > >>>>  alternative,
> > >>>>>>  in the same way that Atlassian is apache friendly.
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>>  So - from what I can see we need to:
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>>  - Talk through who is going to do it
> > >>>>>>  - How are we going to host it
> > >>>>>>  - When are we going to do it
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>>  Anything else?
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>>  ottO
> > >
> > > -------------------
> > > Thank you,
> > >
> > > James Sirota
> > > PMC- Apache Metron
> > > jsirota AT apache DOT org
> >
> --
>
> Jon
>

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