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From Michael Miklavcic <michael.miklav...@gmail.com>
Subject Re: [DISCUSS] Slack Channel Use
Date Wed, 24 Oct 2018 15:37:20 GMT
Yeah, I'm also surprised by that comment about the mailing list activity.
Our dev/user list discussions are by far more active than they've ever
been. Just have a look at the list of DISCUSS threads that have come up in
the past few months and it's clear that not only participation has
increased, but diversity of topic and participant.

On Wed, Oct 24, 2018 at 8:08 AM Casey Stella <cestella@gmail.com> wrote:

> Not for nothing, but at least according to the last board report that I
> submitted, the user@ traffic is up 100% and the dev list traffic is flat
> as
> compared to last quarter.  That's not to say that we couldn't stand more
> discussion on the lists, but a lot of the dev discussion happens on github
> and JIRA and I'm happy to see an uptick in user traffic.
>
> On Wed, Oct 24, 2018 at 10:05 AM Otto Fowler <ottobackwards@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > I wouldn’t be so quick to related the slack discussion with perceived
> > activity on the list.
> > That is more do to the other things that are bigger issues.
> >
> >
> > On October 24, 2018 at 07:15:30, Nick Allen (nick@nickallen.org) wrote:
> >
> > > I have heard recently people thought Metron is sort of dead just
> because
> > the mailing list is not so active anymore!
> >
> > That is exactly my concern.
> >
> >
> > On Wed, Oct 24, 2018, 2:49 AM Ali Nazemian <alinazemian@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > > I kind of expect to have Slack for more dev related discussions rather
> > than
> > > user QA. I guess it is quite common to expect mailing list to be used
> for
> > > the purpose of knowledge sharing to make sure it will be accessible by
> > > other users as well. Of course, it is a trade-off that most of the
> other
> > > Apache projects decided to accept the risk of keeping user related
> > > discussions out of Slack/IRC. However, it sometimes happens to see the
> > > mixture of questions coming to Slack. I have heard recently people
> > thought
> > > Metron is sort of dead just because the mailing list is not so active
> > > anymore!
> > >
> > > Cheers,
> > > Ali
> > >
> > > On Tue, Oct 23, 2018 at 8:23 AM Casey Stella <cestella@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > >
> > > > Agreed, the benefit of the mailing list is that it’s searchable by
> > > ponymail
> > > > and the major search engines.
> > > > On Mon, Oct 22, 2018 at 17:18 Nick Allen <nick@nickallen.org> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > I don't know that it is the same kind of searchable. Is it being
> > > indexed
> > > > > by the major search engines? I have never used a search engine and
> > > > > uncovered the answer to my problem in a Slack archive.
> > > > >
> > > > > On Mon, Oct 22, 2018 at 5:05 PM Otto Fowler <
> ottobackwards@gmail.com
> > >
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > According to Greg Stein, an infra admin on the NiFi slack, the
> ASF
> > > > slack
> > > > > > that metron is in IS the standard plan, not the free one and
is
> > > > > searchable
> > > > > > past 10,000 messages.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On October 22, 2018 at 15:35:51, Michael Miklavcic (
> > > > > > michael.miklavcic@gmail.com) wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > ...From an archival and broader reach point of view, I do think
> > > there's
> > > > > > something to be said about using the mailing list. It's also
> easier
> > > to
> > > > > link
> > > > > > to Q/A threads from the mailing list archives and do searches...
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> >
> https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/1aa85bc13d41e04a1f85c3100c2b803abe35d79b54062bbeaab83ace@%3Cdev.metron.apache.org%3E
> > > > > >
> > > > > > How very Inception.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On Mon, Oct 22, 2018 at 1:32 PM Michael Miklavcic <
> > > > > > michael.miklavcic@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > I just want to point out that we currently have 32 members
in
> the
> > > > > Metron
> > > > > > > Slack channel which I personally think is a great sign.
This is
> > > good
> > > > > from
> > > > > > a
> > > > > > > community perspective and helps foster interactive sessions
> where
> > > > > > required.
> > > > > > > From an archival and broader reach point of view, I do
think
> > > there's
> > > > > > > something to be said about using the mailing list. It's
also
> > easier
> > > > to
> > > > > > link
> > > > > > > to Q/A threads from the mailing list archives and do searches.
> As
> > > > > such, I
> > > > > > > would also go along with Nick's suggestion and urge members
to
> > > prefer
> > > > > the
> > > > > > > user/dev list where possible.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > On Mon, Oct 22, 2018 at 10:51 AM Justin Leet <
> > > justinjleet@gmail.com>
> > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >> If we want to push more discussion to the dev list,
my obvious
> > > > follow
> > > > > up
> > > > > > >> question then is "What are we hoping to get out of
> > Slack/irc/other
> > > > > > >> interactive medium?". What discussion would we even
want on
> > there,
> > > > if
> > > > > we
> > > > > > >> can't have decisions and don't want usage/support?
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >> On Mon, Oct 22, 2018 at 12:44 PM Casey Stella <
> > cestella@gmail.com
> > > >
> > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >> > I am of 2 minds, but I tend to agree. On the one
hand, it's
> > > > > definitely
> > > > > > >> the
> > > > > > >> > preference that we use the mailing lists for the
reasons you
> > > > stated
> > > > > > (and
> > > > > > >> > also because not everyone has access to slack
generally). On
> > the
> > > > > other
> > > > > > >> > hand, I think an interactive medium like Slack
has a lot of
> > > > > advantages
> > > > > > >> in
> > > > > > >> > terms of user satisfaction. Ultimately, though,
we may
> satisfy
> > 1
> > > > > user
> > > > > > >> at
> > > > > > >> > the cost of not persisting the discussion and
satisfying
> many
> > > > users.
> > > > > > >> >
> > > > > > >> > I'll go along with a specific preference to drive
more
> > > discussion
> > > > to
> > > > > > the
> > > > > > >> > mailing list.
> > > > > > >> >
> > > > > > >> > Casey
> > > > > > >> >
> > > > > > >> > On Mon, Oct 22, 2018 at 12:18 PM Nick Allen <
> > nick@nickallen.org
> > > >
> > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > >> >
> > > > > > >> > > It seems that we are seeing a lot of Metron
usage and
> > support
> > > > > > >> questions
> > > > > > >> > on
> > > > > > >> > > the Slack Channel.
> > > > > > >> > > These are questions that previously would
have been
> directed
> > > to
> > > > > the
> > > > > > >> User
> > > > > > >> > or
> > > > > > >> > > Dev mailing lists. Since this is occurring
in the Slack
> > > Channel,
> > > > > the
> > > > > > >> > > conversations are not archived.
> > > > > > >> > >
> > > > > > >> > > In my opinion, this is not good for the Metron
community.
> > > Having
> > > > > > this
> > > > > > >> > > persisted in a discoverable form (like a
mailing list
> > archive)
> > > > not
> > > > > > >> only
> > > > > > >> > > helps support current users, but also helps
*potential*
> > users
> > > > > > >> understand
> > > > > > >> > > how Metron is being used.
> > > > > > >> > >
> > > > > > >> > > Does anyone else agree or disagree? At a
minimum, I feel
> we
> > > need
> > > > > to
> > > > > > >> do
> > > > > > >> > > something to direct these conversations back
to the
> mailing
> > > > list.
> > > > > > >> > >
> > > > > > >> >
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > A.Nazemian
> > >
> >
>

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