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Subject [jira] [Commented] (METRON-1460) Create a complementary non-split-join enrichment topology
Date Fri, 02 Mar 2018 17:45:00 GMT

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ASF GitHub Bot commented on METRON-1460:
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Github user arunmahadevan commented on the issue:

    https://github.com/apache/metron/pull/940
  
    Managing threadpools within a bolt isn't fundamentally wrong, we have see some use cases
where this is done. However, we have been putting efforts to reduce the overall number of
threads created  internally within storm since the thread context switches were causing performance
bottlenecks. I assume the threadpool threads are mostly IO/network bound so it should not
cause too much harm.
    
    Do you need multiple threads since the enrichments involve external DB look ups and are
time consuming ?  Maybe you could compare the performance of maintaining a thread pool v/s
increasing the bolt's parallelism to achieve a similar effect. 
    
    Another option might be to prefetch the enrichment data and load it into each bolt so
that you might not need separate threads to do the enrichment.
    
    If you are able to manage without threads, that would be preferable. Even otherwise its
not that bad as long as you don't create too many threads and they are cleaned up properly.
(we have had some cases were the internal threads were causing workers to hang).


> Create a complementary non-split-join enrichment topology
> ---------------------------------------------------------
>
>                 Key: METRON-1460
>                 URL: https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/METRON-1460
>             Project: Metron
>          Issue Type: New Feature
>            Reporter: Casey Stella
>            Priority: Major
>
> There are some deficiencies to the split/join topology.
>  * It's hard to reason about
>  * Understanding the latency of enriching a message requires looking at multiple bolts
that each give summary statistics
>  * The join bolt's cache is really hard to reason about when performance tuning
>  * During spikes in traffic, you can overload the join bolt's cache and drop messages
if you aren't careful
>  * In general, it's hard to associate a cache size and a duration kept in cache with
throughput and latency
>  * There are a lot of network hops per message
>  * Right now we are stuck at 2 stages of transformations being done (enrichment and threat
intel).  It's very possible that you might want stellar enrichments to depend on the output
of other stellar enrichments.  In order to implement this in split/join you'd have to create
a cycle in the storm topology
>  
> I propose that we move to a model where we do enrichments in a single bolt in parallel
using a static threadpool (e.g. multiple workers in the same process would share the threadpool). 
IN all other ways, this would be backwards compatible.  A transparent drop-in for the existing
enrichment topology.
> There are some pros/cons about this too:
>  * Pro
>  * Easier to reason about from an individual message perspective
>  * Architecturally decoupled from Storm
>  * This sets us up if we want to consider other streaming technologies
>  * Fewer bolts
>  * spout -> enrichment bolt -> threatintel bolt -> output bolt
>  * Way fewer network hops per message
>  * currently 2n+1 where n is the number of enrichments used (if using stellar subgroups,
each subgroup is a hop)
>  * Easier to reason about from a performance perspective
>  * We trade cache size and eviction timeout for threadpool size
>  * We set ourselves up to have stellar subgroups with dependencies
>  * i.e. stellar subgroups that depend on the output of other subgroups
>  * If we do this, we can shrink the topology to just spout -> enrichment/threat intel
-> output
>  * Con
>  * We can no longer tune stellar enrichments independent from HBase enrichments
>  * To be fair, with enrichments moving to stellar, this is the case in the split/join
approach too
>  * No idea about performance
> What I propose is to submit a PR that will deliver an alternative, completely backwards
compatible topology for enrichment that you can use by adjusting the start_enrichment_topology.sh
script to use remote-unified.yaml instead of remote.yaml.  If we live with it for a while
and have some good experiences with it, maybe we can consider retiring the old enrichment
topology.
>  
>  



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