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From Charlie Frasure <>
Subject Re: [DISCUSS] Feature proposal: Streamline visual flow design
Date Fri, 13 Nov 2015 19:58:43 GMT
Could we use a drag event for the connection action rather than a click
event?  That might help differentiate the two actions.

The inconsistency between double-clicking a process group and a process
would be similar to the inconsistency between creating a connection and
creating a process.  A different object type might be ok to have a
different behavior, especially seeing as a processor isn't a container of
sub-objects.  Opening a process group is intuitive to me; but I also have
double-clicked on processors more times than I care to admit to, trying to
get to the configuration screen.

Take all this for whatever it's worth; I would actually prefer that
connection objects don't go to the properties screen when they're created,
but just connect from the first flow.  A double-click would quickly get you
in to modify as needed, but would "just work" when building the "happy
path" for a file process.

On Fri, Nov 13, 2015 at 1:19 PM, Mark Petronic <>

> I see your point. Well, consider my thoughts just input to the larger
> puzzle. Better to have well thought out UX than not. Nice to see you
> thinking hard about it. :)
> On Fri, Nov 13, 2015 at 1:14 PM, Matt Gilman <>
> wrote:
>> I thought about that when I was writing my previous response. The concern
>> there is the amount of 'clickable' space across each type of configurable
>> component (not just processors) and how much precision would be required
>> depending on the current scale of the canvas. Just don't want to make it
>> more difficult by providing less real estate to click. But this wouldn't be
>> a show stopper.
>> However, we do already have double click mapped to Enter a Processor
>> Group. So we wouldn't be able to use double click for configuring a Process
>> Group. Not sure we want to introduce inconsistency in actions across the
>> types of configurable components.
>> On Fri, Nov 13, 2015 at 12:57 PM, Mark Petronic <>
>> wrote:
>>> Right now, when you move your mouse over the processor, that connection
>>> handle icon appears. If you double click it, nothing really happens. So,
>>> and this is just my thought, just keep that behavior the same and require
>>> the double click to be NOT over that icon if you want to open the config
>>> dialog. That 'seems' pretty natural and not a UX hack. Its like there are
>>> two layers. Layer one is the processor and layer two is the dragable
>>> connection handle on top of layer one. A user needs to at least know which
>>> one of these the double click is targeted against and aim accordingly.
>>> On Fri, Nov 13, 2015 at 12:33 PM, Matt Gilman <>
>>> wrote:
>>>> I'm not against the double click idea. However, my only
>>>> concern/hesitation is around the behavior if the double click happens over
>>>> the connection handle. A mouse down there initiates the begin of creating
>>>> connection by shifting the connection handle around your mouse (dragging
>>>> thereafter the connection handle moves with your mouse). If we'd continued
>>>> with this idea we'd likely need to make some changes around this behavior
>>>> to avoid confusion.
>>>> On Fri, Nov 13, 2015 at 12:15 PM, Mark Petronic <
>>>> > wrote:
>>>>> +1 for double-click and open config dialog on processors. Seems most
>>>>> intuitive to a user.
>>>>> On Fri, Nov 13, 2015 at 12:11 PM, Andrew Grande <
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> I just had the same idea today. Would like to have double-click open
>>>>>> the Properties pane of a processor, this is the majority of use cases.
>>>>>> I am against making the action customizable, though. This is a case
>>>>>> where less is more for a UX and provides a consistent experience
across all
>>>>>> deployments (just imaging if someone swapped start/stop and an operator
>>>>>> expected a Props screen. Oops!)
>>>>>> Andrew
>>>>>> From: Charlie Frasure <>
>>>>>> Reply-To: "" <>
>>>>>> Date: Friday, November 13, 2015 at 9:13 AM
>>>>>> To: "" <>
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] Feature proposal: Streamline visual flow
>>>>>> design
>>>>>> Apologies, not sure how to properly respond to an old thread.  (Maybe
>>>>>> that's the idea.)  I was looking through the archives before posting
>>>>>> usability comments about the UI and turned up a couple of threads
>>>>>> September.
>>>>>> If we did automatically open the configuration screen when a
>>>>>> processor was dropped on the canvas, a quick press of ESC seems to
back out
>>>>>> nicely.  A possible compromise for the processor configuration could
be a
>>>>>> double-click to open behavior, as it seems this action is not currently
>>>>>> assigned.  Better yet, a user-configurable double click action (start/stop,
>>>>>> configure, data provenance, etc) would be nice.
>>>>>> The other enhancements mentioned would be great as well.
>>>>>> Rob Moran <> Subject Re: [DISCUSS] Feature
>>>>>> Streamline visual flow design Date Thu, 10 Sep 2015 19:09:44 GMT
>>>>>> So far there seems to be a couple in agreement to leave the add processor
>>>>>> behavior as is. My use of *inconsistency* was referring the simple
>>>>>> that behavior is different. Add a processor - no dialog; draw a connection
>>>>>> - same type of dialog appears to take action. Perhaps we design a
>>>>>> intuitive way to quickly “configure” a connection when drawn.
It could be a
>>>>>> small in-place editor <>
>>>>>> appears when the connection is drawn allowing a quick, localized
>>>>>> configuration to take place.

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