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From Yari Marchetti <yari.marche...@buongiorno.com>
Subject Re: DistributedMapCache
Date Mon, 07 Nov 2016 15:20:02 GMT
Mark,
that would be exactly what I'd like to see in Nifi, I hope you'll be
pushing it soon :)

Thanks,
Yari

On 7 November 2016 at 16:12, Mark Payne <markap14@hotmail.com> wrote:

> Yari,
>
> I have implemented a couple of additional implementations of
> DistributedMapCacheClient - one for
> MySQL and one for Memcached. However, I'd not yet gotten them into Apache,
> as they need some cleanup
> and some refactoring probably. Eventually I need to get that migrated over.
>
> The design of DetectDuplicate, though, makes this work very well. The
> intent is that you can use DistributeLoad
> pointing to Memcached first. If it detects a duplicate, you route that as
> appropriate. If it routes to 'non-duplicate'
> then you would send it to a second DistributeLoad processor that points to
> MySQL. This way, if you have a non-duplicate,
> it will automatically be added to Memcached as well as MySQL (because the
> first DetectDuplicate will notice that it's not
> in Memcached and add it, and the second one will either detect that it's
> already in MySQL or detect that it's not and add
> it). So this gives you the caching layer on top of the persistence layer.
>
> Thanks
> -Mark
>
>
>
> On Nov 7, 2016, at 5:06 AM, Yari Marchetti <yari.marchetti@buongiorno.com>
> wrote:
>
> Hi Koji,
> thanks for the explanation, that's very clear now; as you pointed out I
> got
> tricked by the "distributed" :)
>
> Regarding the idea to implement a ZK-driven failover, I think it makes
> sense
> to improve the overall stability/manageability of the platform and also to
> not implement a cache replication. It would definitely be an overkill.
>
> But, I was also thinking that for use cases where you need to be
> absolutely
> sure no duplicates are propagated (I've already several similar use
> cases),
> it would also make senso to create some sort of "DurableMapCacheServer"
> using some sort of NoSQL/SQL backend.
> As I said, you could implement it yourself using standard processors
> but I found that it's something that could be very very useful to have
> "off the
> shelf".
>
> In my view both of them make sense: one fast with weak guarantee, when
> duplicates may be acceptable, and one slower and durable with strong
> guarantee. What do you think?
>
> Thanks,
> Yari
>
>
>
> On 7 November 2016 at 07:02, Koji Kawamura <ijokarumawak@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi Yari,
>>
>> Thanks for the great question. I looked at the
>> DistributedMapCacheClient/Server code briefly, but there's no high
>> availability support with NiFi cluster. As you figured it out, we need
>> to point one of nodes IP address, in order to share the same Cache
>> storage among nodes within the same cluster, and if the node goes
>> down, the client processors stop working until the node recovers or
>> client service configuration is updated.
>>
>> Although it has 'Distributed' in its name, the cache storage itself is
>> not distributed, it just supports multiple client nodes, and it does
>> not implement any coordination logic that work nicely with NiFi
>> cluster.
>>
>> I think we might be able to use primary node to improve its availability.
>> By adding option to DistributedCacheServer to run only on a primary
>> node, and also, add option to client service to point a primary node
>> (without specifying a specific ip address or hostname). Then let
>> Zookeeper and NiFi cluster handles fail-over scenario.
>> The whole cache entries will be invalidated when fail-over happens.
>> So, things like DetectDuplicate won't work right after a fail-over.
>> This idea only helps NiFi cluster and data flow recover automatically
>> without human intervention.
>>
>> We could implement cache replication between nodes as well to provide
>> higher availability, or hashing to utilize resources on every nodes,
>> but I think it's overkill for NiFi. If one needs such level of
>> availability, then I'd recommend to use other NoSQL databases.
>>
>> How do you think about that? I'd like to hear from others, too, to see
>> if it's worth for trying.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Koji
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Nov 4, 2016 at 5:38 PM, Yari Marchetti
>> <yari.marchetti@buongiorno.com> wrote:
>> > Hello,
>> > I'm running a 3 nodes cluster and I've been trying to implement a
>> > deduplication workflow using the DetectDuplicate but, on my first try, I
>> > noticed that there were always 3 messages marked as non-duplicates.
>> After
>> > some investigation I tracked down this issue to be related to a
>> > configuration I did for DistributedMapCache server address which was
>> set to
>> > localhost: if instead I set it to the IP of one of the nodes than
>> > everything's working as expected.
>> >
>> > My concern with this approach is of reliability: if that specific node
>> goes
>> > down, than the workflow will not work properly. I know I could
>> implement it
>> > using some other kind of storage but wanted to check first whether I
>> got it
>> > right and what's the suggested approach.
>> >
>> > Thanks,
>> > Yari
>>
>
>
>

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