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From "Davanum Srinivas" <dava...@gmail.com>
Subject Re: Ode / BPEL Donation of BPEL 2.0 Engine
Date Mon, 20 Feb 2006 21:07:03 GMT
That's a good start. Again, the bottom line is as i mentioned before
("People who end up sweating doing the day-to-day work will take the
decisions")

thanks,
dims

On 2/20/06, James Strachan <james.strachan@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 2/20/06, Davanum Srinivas <davanum@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > I believe james agreed to some items when replying to this email from
> > Paul[1]
> >
> > [1]
> > http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=incubator-general&m=114020329404885&w=2
>
>
> Note reusing some code across 2 engines is not the same thing as merging 2
> engines into one single engine. Though I've just started a new thread to
> discuss that particularly topic...
>
> James
>
> On 2/20/06, Hiram Chirino <hiram@hiramchirino.com> wrote:
> > > Then I perhaps miss-directed the email.  Sorry for miss understanding
> > > you.
> > >
> > > Is anybody on this mailing list who is willing to setup up to do the
> > > code merge that seems to be a hop topic recently???
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > > Hiram
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On Feb 20, 2006, at 10:08 AM, Davanum Srinivas wrote:
> > >
> > > > I am asking to postpone the decision till we set up the infra stuff.
> > > > that's all. As i mentioned in several previous emails[1]
> > > >
> > > > "People who end up sweating doing the day-to-day work will take the
> > > > decisions"
> > > >
> > > > So far no one has sweated on the "APACHE ODE PROJECT".
> > > >
> > > > Thanks,
> > > > dims
> > > >
> > > > [1] http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=incubator-
> > > > general&m=114023665807885&w=2
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On 2/20/06, Hiram Chirino <hiram@hiramchirino.com> wrote:
> > > >> Forwarding to ode-dev list from general incubator.
> > > >>
> > > >> So if the PPMC or PMC do not make technical decisions, why are you
as
> > > >> non-code contributor (for now), trying to force a code merge?
> > > >> I would expect that any such proposal would come from a active
> > > >> commiter from the community.  In other words, he who proposes such
a
> > > >> beast of work has the responsibility for implementing it.  :)
> > > >>
> > > >> Regards,
> > > >> Hiram
> > > >>
> > > >> Begin forwarded message:
> > > >>
> > > >>> From: "Davanum Srinivas" <davanum@gmail.com>
> > > >>> Date: February 20, 2006 9:40:24 AM EST
> > > >>> To: general@incubator.apache.org
> > > >>> Subject: Re: Ode / BPEL Donation of BPEL 2.0 Engine
> > > >>> Reply-To: general@incubator.apache.org
> > > >>> Reply-To: dims@apache.org
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Technical decisions do not belong to the PMC/PPMC. Nor do they
> > > >>> belong
> > > >>> in general@incubator. Let's get the ball rolling and attack these
on
> > > >>> ode-dev@.
> > > >>>
> > > >>> On 2/20/06, Hiram Chirino <hiram@hiramchirino.com> wrote:
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> On Feb 18, 2006, at 2:23 PM, Davanum Srinivas wrote:
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>> Why are you being so negative? Let's try to make it work.
If it
> > > >>>>> does
> > > >>>>> not then we decide what do next as a PPMC.
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> I did not know that technical decisions were the
> > > >>>> responsibilities of
> > > >>>> the PMC/PPMC.  Could you explain further?
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>> Being negative for one second...i can safely say that
in the worst
> > > >>>>> case scenario - Sybase and PXE folks do have other choices
> > > >>>>> (codehaus,sf etc...) as they own the copyright to the
code that
> > > >>>>> they
> > > >>>>> contribute.
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> It's not nice to tell folks to leave if they don't want to
do it
> > > >>>> you
> > > >>>> way.  As I see it, the ODE community which is made up mostly
by the
> > > >>>> code contributers, still does not have consensus actually
doing a
> > > >>>> code merge.  So lets not go crazy telling folks they should
> > > >>>> elsewhere
> > > >>>> when there is no need to do that.
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> Regards,
> > > >>>> Hiram
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>> thanks,
> > > >>>>> dims
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>> On 2/18/06, James Strachan <james.strachan@gmail.com>
wrote:
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>>> To be clear - I was talking about the 2 Apache code
bases
> > > >>>>>> which are
> > > >>>>>> seeded from Sybase and PXE.
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>>>> e.g. will existing PXE users happily sit on their
hands for a
> > > >>>>>> year
> > > >>>>>> patiently waiting for the grand unification? What
if we can never
> > > >>>>>> agree the "one true engine"?
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>> Users who come to our projects
> > > >>>>>>> should be focused on what we're doing, and not
looking for
> > > >>>>>>> support for
> > > >>>>>>> vendor products.  Keep in mind that the package
names will
> > > >>>>>>> change to
> > > >>>>>>> org.apache.*,
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>>>> I know - its exactly the org.apache.*  code I was
talking about.
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>>>> James
> > > >>>>>> -------
> > > >>>>>> http://radio.weblogs.com/0112098/
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>>>> -----------------------------------------------------------------
> > > >>>>>> --
> > > >>>>>> --
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> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>> --
> > > >>>>> Davanum Srinivas : http://wso2.com/blogs/
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------
> > > >>>>> --
> > > >>>>> -
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> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>> --
> > > >>> Davanum Srinivas : http://wso2.com/blogs/
> > > >>>
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> > > >>> -
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> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > Davanum Srinivas : http://wso2.com/blogs/
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Davanum Srinivas : http://wso2.com/blogs/
> >
>
>
>
> --
>
> James
> -------
> http://radio.weblogs.com/0112098/
>
>


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