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From Sasa Bojanic <sasa.boja...@prozone.rs>
Subject Re: Searching for a sponsor for Shark project on Apache
Date Mon, 16 Mar 2009 11:52:08 GMT
Hi guys,

what should we do the next? Do you think there is a synergy between ODE 
and Shark and if ODE could be a sponsor? Should we discuss some other 
things?
What would be the next step that should be taken from our side?

Greetings,
Sasa.


Sasa Bojanic wrote:
> Well, Shark also has well designed core...in general we can also 
> support something that is not XPDL since core is based on API. 
> However, Shark implementation is XPDL based and Shark interprets XPDL. 
> We have the complete XPDL object model that we also use in our JaWE 
> editor which supports XPDL 100%. I doubt BPEL's core can fit into XPDL.
> By re-writing the core I basically mean extending XPDL object model 
> and adding more functionality to Shark as defined by XPDL 2.1 spec.
>
> Thanks for the link about licenses...I think we will not have too much 
> problems here.
>
> Regarding diversity, we plan to ask current Shark community as well as 
> the previous contributors to get more involved into the project. We 
> also expect some interest from the Apache community.
>
> Greetings,
> Sasa.
>
> Matthieu Riou wrote:
>> Same question here, especially given that you mention planning to 
>> rewrite
>> the Shark core. ODE has a fairly well designed core which we're already
>> reusing for something that's not BPEL, would be reusing it as well an
>> option?
>>
>> For the licensing questions, regarding which license are allowed or not,
>> this could help:
>>
>> http://www.apache.org/legal/3party.html
>>
>> I'm also curious about the strong ties to Together Teamlösungen. You 
>> mention
>> the possibility of orphanage in the proposal, which is good, but how 
>> do you
>> plan to address diversity? One of the conditions of graduation from the
>> Apache incubator is sufficient diversity.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Matthieu
>>
>> On Wed, Mar 4, 2009 at 10:59 AM, Alex Boisvert <boisvert@intalio.com> 
>> wrote:
>>
>>  
>>> Sasa,
>>>
>>> Where do you see the synergies between Shark and Ode?  i.e., How 
>>> would the
>>> respective communities benefit?
>>>
>>> alex
>>>
>>> On Wed, Mar 4, 2009 at 5:00 AM, Sasa Bojanic <sasa.bojanic@prozone.rs
>>>    
>>>> wrote:
>>>>       Dear All,
>>>>
>>>> I've already posted an email to incubator's list asking for a
>>>> champion/sponsor for moving Shark project to Apache.
>>>> I communicated with Matthieu Riou and he suggested ODE could be a 
>>>> sponsor
>>>> for this project and told me the best way would be to start 
>>>> discussion on
>>>> this list.
>>>>
>>>> Let me repeat what I already posted to incubator list:
>>>>
>>>> Enhydra Shark workflow engine is a project currently hosted on 
>>>> ObjectWeb
>>>>       
>>> (
>>>    
>>>> http://shark.objectweb.org/)
>>>>
>>>> It is the most popular open-source java workflow engine completely 
>>>> based
>>>>       
>>> on
>>>    
>>>> WfMC standards.
>>>> It uses XPDL1.0 as its native workflow process definition language.
>>>> It can be embedded into other Java applications (Swing, Console, 
>>>> ...) or
>>>> can be used as a server through WebService, EJB, CORBA, ...
>>>>
>>>> Shark's modular, plug-in architecture makes shark suitable for
>>>>       
>>> integration
>>>    
>>>> into different kind of projects.
>>>>
>>>> It is a mature project started 5years ago, has a significant community
>>>>       
>>> and
>>>    
>>>> more than 100000 downloads on ObjectWeb and almost 10000 posts on 
>>>> mailing
>>>> list. It is widely used all around the world in production, typically
>>>> integrated into different kind of applications, from 
>>>> DocumentManagement
>>>>       
>>> and
>>>    
>>>> government applications up to applications for special purposes 
>>>> like bank
>>>> services, HR, Help desk, ... and in many, many others
>>>>
>>>> Our goal is to move the core shark components to Apache. We should 
>>>> have
>>>>       
>>> no
>>>    
>>>> problems with CLAs since these components are developed only by our 
>>>> core
>>>> developers.
>>>> We would like to continue with Shark development on Apache by
>>>>       
>>> re-factoring
>>>    
>>>> Shark kernel's code and other major components to support XPDL2.1
>>>> specification.
>>>>
>>>> Attached is an initial version of SharkProposal....Please feel free to
>>>>       
>>> ask
>>>    
>>>> any question.
>>>>
>>>> Greetings,
>>>> Sasa.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>       
>>
>>   
>
>

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