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From Paul Brown <paulrbr...@gmail.com>
Subject Re: Seeking active involvement from the community
Date Fri, 06 Oct 2017 16:26:14 GMT
There is a *lot* of stuff to think through.  At the time we built what
became ODE, there was no Akka, no Pony, Zookeeper didn't exist, the Dynamo
paper hadn't even been thought about (that started in 2005), etc.

On Fri, Oct 6, 2017 at 9:20 AM Zubin Wadia <zwadia@gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi All,
>
> Speaking of advancement, this is pretty interesting too, odd name
> notwithstanding: https://tendermint.com/
>
> Cheers,
>
> Zubin
>
> On Fri, Oct 6, 2017 at 12:10 PM, Paul Brown <paulrbrown@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Hi, Aaron --
> >
> > All sorts of things like that should be on the table, IMHO.  The original
> > design for ODE dates back to 2003 or so, and the state of the art across
> > the board in middleware has advanced a bit in the last 13 years.
> >
> > Cheers.
> > -- Paul
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Fri, Oct 6, 2017 at 9:07 AM Aaron Anderson <aanderson@apache.org>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Hi Sathwik,
> > > Is there any plan to support any other execution languages like
> > executable
> > > BPMN 2.0 or SCXML in the future or is the main focus of the project now
> > > maintaining the current 1.X functionality? Perhaps I should continue to
> > > research using Ignite for process execution and come back with my
> > findings.
> > > Regards,
> > > Aaron
> > >
> > >     On Friday, October 6, 2017 1:18 AM, Sathwik B P <
> > sathwik.bp@gmail.com>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > >  Hi Aaron,
> > >
> > > Good to hear from you.
> > >
> > > We have added basic clustering capabilities using Hazelcast. JACOB now
> > uses
> > > JSON serialization with JACKSON. Both these feature are on the trunk
> and
> > > will be coming in 1.4.
> > >
> > > We can definitely discuss improving the engine. I am game to make ODE
> > more
> > > modular in design, reactive and scalable keeping in mind a migration
> > path.
> > >
> > > regards,
> > > sathwik
> > >
> > > On Fri, Oct 6, 2017 at 3:01 AM, Aaron Anderson <aanderson@apache.org>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > Hi Sathwik,
> > > > I am a dormant Apache ODE committer and I would be interested in
> > > > contributing to new development on Apache ODE. I attempted to build a
> > > > prototype several years ago on github (https://github.com/
> > > > aaronanderson/ODE-X) but I lost steam building the runtime execution
> > > > engine. Based on my experience with the 1.X code base there was a
> large
> > > > amount of complexity around concurrency, key value storage, and JPA
> > > > persistence. These issues made clustering challenging if not
> > impossible.
> > > > These are the same challenges I tried to overcome with my own runtime
> > > > engine design.
> > > > Within the last year I got very excited when I came across the Apache
> > > > Ignite in memory fabric which can solve all of these scalability
> > > problems.
> > > > Recently Ignite introduced built in persistence which would remove
> the
> > > > requirement of needing a DB for persistence. Apache Ignite has many
> > > useful
> > > > features beyond simple caching such as messaging, flexible
> transaction
> > > > management, and of course clustering. It is not difficult to imagine
> a
> > > thin
> > > > business process execution layer on top of Apache Ignite hydrating
> and
> > > > dehydrating processes as requests are received and handled.
> > > > I have my own ideas on building a general purpose virtual process
> > > > execution runtime leveraging CDI and binary XML but the existing ODE
> > > JACOB
> > > > java serialization framework could work just as well with Apache
> > Ignite.
> > > If
> > > > interested I can elaborate on my ideas further.
> > > > Apache ODE uses antiquated technologies and there is a huge
> opportunity
> > > to
> > > > build a modern Cloud friendly Open Source business process engine
> > > > exclusively using Apache sponsored technologies.
> > > > Regards,
> > > >
> > > > Aaron
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >    On Saturday, September 30, 2017 1:43 AM, Sathwik B P <
> > > > sathwik.bp@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >  Hi Community,
> > > >
> > > > Contributions and involvement from the community towards the
> project's
> > > > growth over the time has considerably diminished. We are seeking new
> > > > contributors / committers to continue the growth of the project.
> > Anybody
> > > > willing to help the community are welcome.
> > > >
> > > > There has been no much feedback post 1.3.7 release from the
> community.
> > > >
> > > > Am working on 1.3.8 release bringing on Java 8, Moving to JPA2 from
> > JPA 1
> > > > (OpenJPA 2.4.2 & Hibernate 4.3.11), Upgrading to Axis2 1.7.6 and
> > Embedded
> > > > server on TomEE7.0.4 which is now under release vote. Hope I might be
> > > able
> > > > to bring in the 1.3.8 release in the next quater.
> > > >
> > > > regards,
> > > > PMC Chair.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
>

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