openoffice-commits mailing list archives

Site index · List index
Message view « Date » · « Thread »
Top « Date » · « Thread »
Subject [CONF] Apache Community > Changes integrate the forums into the AOOo project
Date Mon, 19 Sep 2011 22:51:00 GMT
Space: Apache Community (
Page: Changes integrate the forums into the AOOo project (

Comment added by Dennis E. Hamilton:

I think the iCLA has become a red herring.

I have observed the administrator sections and the other sections of the OOo English forums
and I see no reason whatsoever to not allow the current _Forum_ adminstrators, moderators,
volunteers and other participants to do exactly what they have been doing.

The kind of "committing" that happens on the forums has nothing to do with committing to Apache
releases and if someone contributed something like that an Apache OOo committer could apply
it or the contributor could be requested to use bugzilla or ooo-dev.  

Even when someone posts a macro or tip involving use of features, it is not
a contribution to the code base or documentation.  It is a tip from one user to other users
at the end-user operational level.  And in any case, a standard terms of use compatible with
that which is already in effect should cover those cases.

As far as I can tell, the requirement for an iCLA is related to governance and the requirement
for PPMC oversight.  PPMC oversight is easy in the case where PPMC members have visibility
of the administrative sections for a given NL forum.  There is work to do where the language
is not understood by anyone on the PPMC.

I suggest all of that can be worked out just fine with the Forums joining the incubator and
going through incubator alongside the development project.  

In reply to a comment by Christian Grobmeier:

ICLA: if you are a committer, you need a signed cla. There is no other way. You can't get
an account without it. The only way we can probably avoid it is if volunteers are not committers.
They have no binding vote on pmc nominations because they cannot become a PMC without being
committer. But of course there is nothing wrong when the committers/pmc from the forum respect
the voices of the volunteers. I have seen many "votes" in which users expressed their opinions
and the pmc accepted it as they would have binding votes. But they cannot have access to the
private-ooo list and of course have no binding vote. 

If that is OK for you, I can change back the proposal to: volunteers are contributors with
extended rights whos votes might be respected by the active forum committers/pmcs.

Hidden forums: we have already discussed this somewhere on the en forum; we have agreed to
make the old ones read only and open new ones which is public. I agree there are only a few
people who might be interested in this, but with exception of the private lists, which are
used for sensitive discussion only, everything is open.
I think link i mentioned is:

Change your notification preferences:

View raw message