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From "Dennis E. Hamilton" <>
Subject Undue Influence (was RE: Another introduction)
Date Tue, 05 Jul 2011 03:46:12 GMT
For the record, as of yesterday, July 3, there are 50 committers on the Apache
project.  34 of those are non-mentor members of the PPMC.  Another 13 committers apparently
don't know that they are invited to be on the PPMC and the simple step required to activate
that membership.  (One eligible committer has declined to serve on the PPMC.  That's a free

You can find all of the current committers on the list here:

As far as I can tell, among the current committers, there are only four individuals with a
TLA in their company name.  It is a big company, and I don't know all of them.

We have further potential for committers and PPMC members among the 26 listed as Initial Committers
who are yet to submit an iCLA.  Some may also be affiliated with TLA Corporation, though I
don't spot any.

There are also those ooo-dev contributors who will, as the strength of their contribution
becomes evident, are invited to become committers and/or serve on the PPMC.  Some of those
may well be affiliated with TLA Corporation.

 - Dennis

-----Original Message-----
From: [] On Behalf Of Rob Weir
Sent: Monday, July 04, 2011 19:37
Subject: Re: Another introduction

On Mon, Jul 4, 2011 at 5:29 AM, Graham Lauder <> wrote:
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> There was no error in the question, decisions made at IBM, whether
> policy on OSS, Developer time allowance, code release to the core, work
> on elements that are only useful in Symphony.... these are corporate
> decisions that can affect the project.

Actually, none of this can affect the project unless the project
accepts the work we do.  We have a PPMC of what?  50?  60? 70 members?
 And how many IBM employees on it?  Maybe 6?  7? 8?  All we can do is
offer contributions.  Remember, even a project Committer does not have
absolute ability to make changes at whim.  Changes are reviewed and
can be rejected by other Committers.

If you are saying that IBM engineers collectively have the ability to
make contributions that could be accepted by the project and by being
accepted would affect the project, then I thank you for the
compliment.  But I don't see a problem here.  Honestly, we're getting
pretty equal criticism from people suggesting we're not going to
contribute enough as there are people concerned that we're going to
contribute too much.

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