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From "Dennis E. Hamilton" <>
Subject RE: Undue Influence (was RE: Another introduction) - and TLA
Date Tue, 05 Jul 2011 06:31:42 GMT
I made a general response on the PPMC question, because I'd like the 13 to know that we know
who they are and it is time they knew who they are too!

TLA is an in-joke.  It stands for Three Letter Acronym.  It is a TLA of course.  There was
a time when TLAs were quite common in computing.  I remember the assembly-language op-codes
for the IBM 650 were all TLAs (oh, and there's another one, hint, hint).  I think for the
IBM 704 too.

 - Dennis

OK guys, we have now reached an older age where the newbies have never heard of a TLA. I've
been future-shocked.

-----Original Message-----
From: Wolf Halton [] 
Sent: Monday, July 04, 2011 21:32
Subject: Re: Undue Influence (was RE: Another introduction)


I am a commiter but I still don't have my user/pass for svn or the GUI
editing option, so I am one of the 13.  I am apparently not aware of how to
signal my interest in being on the PPMC.  What is a TLA?  Why is it bad to
have it?

Wolf Halton

On Mon, Jul 4, 2011 at 11:46 PM, Dennis E. Hamilton <
> wrote:

> For the record, as of yesterday, July 3, there are 50 committers on the
> Apache project.  34 of those are non-mentor members of the
> PPMC.  Another 13 committers apparently don't know that they are invited to
> be on the PPMC and the simple step required to activate that membership.
>  (One eligible committer has declined to serve on the PPMC.  That's a free
> choice.)
> You can find all of the current committers on the list here:
> <>
> As far as I can tell, among the current committers, there are only four
> individuals with a TLA in their company name.  It is a big company, and I
> don't know all of them.
> We have further potential for committers and PPMC members among the 26
> listed as Initial Committers who are yet to submit an iCLA.  Some may also
> be affiliated with TLA Corporation, though I don't spot any.
> There are also those ooo-dev contributors who will, as the strength of
> their contribution becomes evident, are invited to become committers and/or
> serve on the PPMC.  Some of those may well be affiliated with TLA
> Corporation.
>  - Dennis
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [] On Behalf Of Rob Weir
> Sent: Monday, July 04, 2011 19:37
> To:
> Subject: Re: Another introduction
> On Mon, Jul 4, 2011 at 5:29 AM, Graham Lauder <>
> wrote:
> [ ... ]
> > There was no error in the question, decisions made at IBM, whether
> > policy on OSS, Developer time allowance, code release to the core, work
> > on elements that are only useful in Symphony.... these are corporate
> > decisions that can affect the project.
> >
> Actually, none of this can affect the project unless the project
> accepts the work we do.  We have a PPMC of what?  50?  60? 70 members?
>  And how many IBM employees on it?  Maybe 6?  7? 8?  All we can do is
> offer contributions.  Remember, even a project Committer does not have
> absolute ability to make changes at whim.  Changes are reviewed and
> can be rejected by other Committers.
> If you are saying that IBM engineers collectively have the ability to
> make contributions that could be accepted by the project and by being
> accepted would affect the project, then I thank you for the
> compliment.  But I don't see a problem here.  Honestly, we're getting
> pretty equal criticism from people suggesting we're not going to
> contribute enough as there are people concerned that we're going to
> contribute too much.
> [ ... ]

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