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From "Dennis E. Hamilton" <>
Subject RE: [WWW] Web analytics
Date Fri, 12 Aug 2011 21:35:47 GMT

on no data collected before we have a clear need for it and are prepared to deal with it responsibly

 - Dennis

-----Original Message-----
From: Simon Phipps [] 
Sent: Friday, August 12, 2011 14:15
Subject: Re: [WWW] Web analytics

On 12 Aug 2011, at 22:01, Rob Weir wrote:

> On Fri, Aug 12, 2011 at 4:30 PM, Simon Phipps <> wrote:
>> I suggest the right question is "which project members need which data and why".
The answer today may well be "none", since we don't actually have any resources to visit yet.
This is also likely to change over time, and we'll need to add analytics as and when people
request (and justify) according to their specific needs and remove them when they're no longer
>> I suggest we resist the idea of capturing bulk analytics "just because", and instead
devise a lightweight process for justifying and requesting collection of data. I'd guess there
is already a process to copy somewhere in Apache - any mentors with suggestions where to look?
> I see that tracking code is used with the websites of most of the
> groups you are affiliated with:  LibreOffice (Piwik), ForgeRock
> (Google Analytics, including in the community pages) and OSI  (Google
> Analytics).  And as was mentioned before, uses Google
> Analytics currently.

It is indeed endemic. We have a unique opportunity to address the issue thoughtfully. And
by the way I am delighted you're paying such close attention to my career.

> Have you given them similar advice?  

Where possible, yes. Abuse of personal data is something which concerns me greatly.

> Or is there something special
> about OpenOffice at Apache

Yes. At the moment as far as I am aware AOOo has no significant resources of interest to non-project-members
and no groups of members with active applications for the data from analytics. Both situations
will certainly change, but on best YAGNI principles I suggest doing what's needed when it's
needed, on the basis of actual documented requirements. 

> that suggests that we should not be
> optimizing our website based on visitor stats like others, including
> LibreOffice, are?

When we have an end-user website capable of optimisation along with project members stepping
forward to harvest the data, process it and act upon it, that will be a fine thing to do.
What's needed, when it's needed.


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