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From "Marcus (OOo)" <>
Subject Re: binfilter (was RE: OOO340 to svn)
Date Sun, 07 Aug 2011 15:42:07 GMT
Am 08/06/2011 02:45 PM, schrieb Eric Hoch:
> Hi Armin,
> Am Sat, 06 Aug 2011 13:56:45 +0200 schrieb Armin Le Grand:
>> Am 05.08.2011 22:22, schrieb Eric Hoch:
>>> Hi Armin,
>>> Am Fri, 05 Aug 2011 19:01:52 +0200 schrieb Armin Le Grand:
>>>> Am 05.08.2011 18:47, schrieb Dennis E. Hamilton:
>>>>> The only problem with [2] is that it assumes conversion is
>>>>> possible/permissible.  That is not always the case.  Now, I do
>>>>> not know there is anyone who has that problem and is (or will
>>>>> soon be) unable to run older software that accesses those
>>>>> formats, but we do need to be careful in considering this.
>>>> The current 3.2 version would be the last one to have both, how
>>>> ling will it be installable and runnable on evolving systems? Can
>>>> only be guessed, but usually it's another 7-8 years.
>>>> I have no numbers, but how many people still have files in old
>>>> formats? With introduction ODF years ago it was preselected as
>>>> the standard.
>>> I don't know how it is in the country you live in but here in
>>> Germany documents, especially tax relevant ones from companies,
>>> must be archived for 10 years or even longer. 2011 minus 10 years
>>> makes it 2001 and in 2001 there was no ODF.
>> Germany, too :-)
> :-)
>>>> I think something like old file formats have to be deprecated one
>>>> day, and in my opinion there was a quite long
>>>> conversion/transition period now. As others already mentioned,
>>>> binfilter is not even installed by default for 3.2 (if I remember
>>>> correctly), and I have not seen any complaints about that yet.
> Neither do I but that doesn't meant that there aren't any out
> there.
>>>> To All: Does anyone use one of the old binary formats or knows
>>>> anyone who does actively nowdays? Please answer if you know about
>>>> something like that, this would be valuable input in this
>>>> discussion.
>>> Not used actively but needed in order to open old documents which
>>> cannot be converted into ODF because of the above reason that you
>>> cannot rule out that you make 100 out of 1000 or the other way
>>> round.
>> Use the last version doing both, the first AOO release as it
>> looks. It's not even released, so there will be some time where
>> it will be installable.
> Sounds good. We need a clean statement that this will be the last
> version coming with import-/exportfilters for the following
> formats. Please make sure that you convert documents of need into a
> new format or archive them probably into PDF/A, etc... This should
> be written so that non-tech users understand it.

OK, I've setup a reminder to write such a text:


>> One concrete question: DO you have documents in the old formats
>> or is this just hypothetical..?
> Yes I have documents in the old format but they are privat, not tax
> related and already to 99% redone in the new ODF Format. The most
> important document in the old format I have is my Diplomarbeit
> which for whatever reason converts badly into the new ODF format. I
> think I'll need to spend a day or two on the reformatting of the
> document.
> I also assume that come the ongoing inspection of documents and
> used software at my new job it is possible to find documents
> needing binfilter, if for whatever reason someone used StarOffice
> instead of MS Office.
> Eric

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