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From Rob Weir <>
Subject Re: Refactoring the brand: Apache ooo + (was branding)
Date Wed, 03 Aug 2011 15:58:54 GMT
On Wed, Aug 3, 2011 at 11:44 AM, TerryE <> wrote:
> On 03/08/11 16:15, Rob Weir wrote:
>> On Wed, Aug 3, 2011 at 11:06 AM, Terry Ellison<>
>>  wrote:
>>> On 03/08/11 15:14, Rob Weir wrote:
>>>> A specific question then that should not require diverting your
>>>> current efforts.  Is there a announcement list or some other mechanism
>>>> to send an email to every registered wiki user?
>>> At a technical level, it's simple to run a query dumping all of the mail
>>> addresses of contributors to the wiki.  I've just done a few on my local
>>> VM
>>> which has a snapshot of  the prod wiki as at Thursday/Fri night IIRC.
>>>   * There are 34,969 registered users.  Of which
>>>   * 3,675 have made contributions.  There is no need to contact those
>>>     who haven't
>>>   * 3,623 have registered email addresses and have made 182,677
>>>     contributions
>>>   * 52 have no registered email addresses and have made 153
>>>     contributions (prob dating back to the early days when email
>>>     registration and confirmation wasn't mandatory
>>> It is trivial to dump this list of user / email addr / post count.
>>> However giving this to Apache and the project making use of it is a more
>>> complex issue.  The server is current located in Oracle's Hamburg
>>> facility
>>> under German / EU legislation.  We have data protection legislation and
>>> Anti-Spam guidelines / legislation to bear in mind here.  Moving email
>>> addresses across national and organisational boundary might trigger
>>> these.
>>>  Also one can't send out mailshot emails in the EU unless the recipients
>>> have first agreed in principle to accept these.
>>> What I can do is to provide this data to Andrew via the internal Oracle
>>> email, and let him figure out the legal / compliance issues and terms of
>>> use
>>> before him making it available to the project.  Not my call.
>> Good enough.  Thanks.  I was hoping that there would be some community
>> email list that everyone was already signed up on.  Maybe if not at
>> the wiki system level, then at the level?  If there is
>> a master announce list that everyone is already on, then we'd be
>> golden.
> (Some) developers for some arcane reason seem to like DLs.  AFAIK, others
> and the majority of users hate them and regard them as spam, preferring less
> invasive pull technologies such as forums and subscription services such as
> gmane.  For example, I routinely work 6 forums and 4 wikis, plus a dozen
> gname lists.  This is the only SMTP DL that I am on.   Announce Lists just
> don't work in this end-user world.

Good point.  I've seen Wikipedia handle this type of broadcast
communication by injecting content into every page, via a header
template or whatever.  You see that for their fund raising campaigns
or surveys, for example.  We might be able to do something like that
and get the message out.

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