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From Rob Weir <>
Subject Re: Access to wiki
Date Thu, 04 Aug 2011 13:56:06 GMT
On Thu, Aug 4, 2011 at 7:29 AM, TerryE <> wrote:
> On 04/08/11 11:31, Jean Weber wrote:
>> <snip>
>>>> 2) Alternatively, or in addition, the first X edits/ contributions/
>>>> whatever are moderated by a group of people, any one of whom can approve
>>>> or reject the items. After X acceptable contributions, the person is
>>>> then allowed to edit the wiki without further supervision -- until or
>>>> unless they start posting inappropriate material such as spam. Again,
>>>> very few spammers will take the trouble to post some useful info before
>>>> going into spam mode.
>>>> These methods deal with the vast majority, if not all, of the concerns I
>>>> have seen Rob expressing about systems with no control at all, but at
>>>> the same time they do not require more time or commitment on the
>>>> contributors' part to be authorised to participate.
>>>> AFAIK, most wikis&   similar sites provide some way to limit the editing
>>>> of specific pages to a smaller group of people (admins or whatever).
>>> <snip>
>> You probably know more about this than I do, but my understanding is that
>> the current OOo wiki has an extension installed that does what I was
>> suggesting in option 2, but the extension has not been implemented.  See:
>> and specifically:
> Jean
> Yes, you are correct.  This is extension can do this and more, but with a
> grey issue like this I feel that a DL based dialogue isn't the best way to
> work out what to do here.  Better we work up a position paper/page within
> the OOOUSERS cwiki laying down the options, their pros and cons and then
> agree a consensus or vote either on the paper itself.  Use the DL to note
> the consensus and get wider feedback.
> What concerns me is the moderation load involved with such an active
> intervention of review-before-publish.  Perhaps others with moderator
> experience might care to comment?

The general approach at Apache is to grant trust once merit has been
shown.  So we should be liberal in granting additional rights to
contributors who make consistent, high quality contributions.  If
moderation is a bottleneck then it shows that we're not distributing
power efficiently.

> My worry is that review-before-publish also ignores the reality of how
> people edit wikis.  In general they don't prepare and proof draft offline
> then paste their best and final into the article.  Most do it section by
> section or end up correcting / rewording when they see the final version, so
> one logical edit can comprise half a dozen posts.  I am not sure how this
> would work if you've got to wait for approval before the next edit.
> We also still need the quality checks: does the email exist, who is she/he,
> etc. and I am not sure how we could include these in an automaic bump.
> Terry
>> --Jean

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