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From "Dennis E. Hamilton" <>
Subject RE: [documentation-dev] Fwd: openoffice user guide for students
Date Thu, 20 Oct 2011 02:11:49 GMT
The *current* default ToU at OO.o requires either Apache ALv2 or 
generic-permissive.  CC-By is close to g-p, but CC-By-SA is not.  In the 
Documentation Project, the license for documents is PDL.  There is mention of 
the Attribution-NoDerivatives, which is also contrary to the default and has 
other restrictions for use with OO.o: 

One proposal that probably needs more discussion here is the proposed markup 
of the Oracle general ToU for Apache use with sites.  That 
markup proposes grandfathering whatever licenses current materials are under 
but no longer accepting anything but either Apache ALv2 and 

I confess that I was charging ahead in order to figure out how to re-ToU the 
Forums as part of migration, but this is an important matter for the project 
to resolve.  My assumptions has been that there's no way, going forward, that 
incompatible licenses on new submissions would be allowed.  Also, I expect 
that IP clearance may be needed for existing incompatible licenses, at least 
in terms of identifying all of them and ensuring that licensing is clean, 
compatible or not.  (E.g., as I think Dave Fisher or TJ pointed out, not all 
PDL-licensed works have been accompanied by signed or even filled-out PDLs).

The changed-marked proposal is available in AOOo Bugzilla #118518, 
<>.  It was opened on 

PS: Thanks for forwarding this TJ. It raises some issues that need to be dealt 
with here and some noodling in advance is called for.

 - Dennis E. Hamilton
   tools for document interoperability,  <>  gsm: +1-206-779-9430  @orcmid

-----Original Message-----
From: TJ Frazier []
Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2011 18:17
Subject: Fwd: [documentation-dev] Fwd: openoffice user guide for students

I am forwarding this from the OO.o ML so it won't get lost. When we get
our web site up, the documentation folks will want to check this out.
Sorry it's top-posted, but it's only three messages (plus this). --/tj/

---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: David Paenson <>
Date: Wed, Oct 19, 2011 at 23:44
Subject: Re: [documentation-dev] openoffice user guide for students
To: Jean Weber <>

Thanks for getting back to me. I think I prefer the second
alternative: CC-BY-SA 3.0 (Attribution-ShareAlike). Would be very
grateful if you could let me know when it gets posted. Regards, Dave

On 19 October 2011 11:36, Jean Weber <> wrote:
> Thank you for offering to let us post your students' guide on the
> website. As you may be aware, we are in transition to
> Apache, so there may be a delay before the files get
> posted to the site. But we are very glad to have them!
> Meanwhile, I have a question:
> Your document says it's licensed under Creative Commons, but you don't
> specify which CC license. Most of our documents are under CC-BY 3.0
> (Attribution) or CC-BY-SA 3.0 (Attribution-ShareAlike). Are either of
> those what you intended?
> Regards, Jean Hollis Weber
> On Mon, Oct 17, 2011 at 21:51, David Paenson <> 
> wrote:
> > Dear colleagues,
> >
> > I have been writing and updating a User Guide for the Students an our
> > university over the past three and half years and have now translated it
> > into English.
> >
> > The English version is available at:
> >
> >
> >
> > The original document is also online:
> >
> >
> >
> > I have been giving introductory courses in OpenOffice to all new students 
> > of
> > our department for Social Work at the University of Applied Sciences in
> > Frankfurt/Germany now for the past seven semesters - around 240 students 
> > per
> > semester, divided into 12 groups. I only have 3 hours per group, so I have
> > to limit myself to the absolute essentials (styles, table of contents,
> > cross-references, page numbering etc.), but especially those essentials
> > students really need in their daily work. As you can imagine, students of
> > Social Work are not especially versed in computers and it's all pretty new
> > to them, especially in such a condensed form. This introductory course
> > addresses their needs as closely as possible.
> >
> > I think the course is now ripe enough to be distributed to a broader 
> > public.
> >
> > I very much hope you find the time to have a look at it and to post the
> > course on the English speaking website of
> >
> > My next project is to translate it into French (just happen to have been
> > brought up in a bilingual family, no merit of mine).
> >
> > Yours
> > David Paenson
> >
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