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From Shane Curcuru <>
Subject Re: Is there an org chart of the previous OOo governance(s)?
Date Thu, 13 Oct 2011 13:49:55 GMT
On 10/13/2011 9:18 AM, J├╝rgen Schmidt wrote:
>> Juergen Schmidt may be able to provide more insight here when he can catch
>> up to the list as he was a member of the CC.
> i don't really want to comment on this because of my history. The general
> idea and intention of the CC was good but in practise in was never able to
> operate or run in the way it should. So let us focus on finding our own new
> way...
> I am sure that over time we will find a way that is Apache conform and that
> will reflect the way how we work here. Some kind of governance will
> establish automatically in different areas. We will trust people who have
> shown expertise in development and code questions, the same for people who
> focus on documentation, on marketing, QA etc. We will simply trust lets call
> it working groups and will correct things if necessary or something fails.

Apologies: I think I was unclear in my original note, as several replies 
seem to show.

I have no interest in replicating any previous governance structures, or 
even necessarily using them as models in future governance.  The Apache 
PMC structure (here, a Podling PMC) is already well defined, both in 
general across Apache projects and in specific here within the Apache 
OOo podling.

In particular, factors like the inherent corporate control in many 
previous OOo governance structures is something that is explicitly 
forbidden at Apache.  Likewise, the multiplicity of separate governance 
communities (as it seems the various projects had, at least to my 
untrained eye) is also something that is not part of the Apache Way. 
Similarly, while Apache projects strive to use consensus to drive 
projects forward, there is also a clear set of rules for [VOTE]ing to 
ensure that formal and binding decisions are made in a timely manner.

To be specific, we have a PPMC that runs the Apache OOo project, and 
effectively will be managing the domain and brands. 
While various committers here may work in groups or on various Apache 
mailing lists to move the project forward, the PPMC is the governing 
body.  This fairly flat governance model is definitely a change for 
those who may have experience with working in OOo in the past.

For those who haven't read it, here's an essay I wrote which I think 
would be valuable for people concerned about the independence of PMC 
governance here at Apache:

In any case, I was just curious as to what the previous structures were 
so I can understand them better, and hopefully be better prepared to 
explain to people what has happened in the "world".

Sorry if anyone mistook my query to think that I was interested in 
replicating any past governance structures - I assure you, I am not.

- Shane

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