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From Shane Curcuru <>
Subject Re: We're on slashdot!
Date Sat, 15 Oct 2011 12:09:39 GMT
On 10/15/2011 3:36 AM, Robert Burrell Donkin wrote:
> On Sat, Oct 15, 2011 at 1:14 AM, Shane Curcuru<>  wrote:
>> And I'm on El Reg!
>> Hope I did OK in the interview.  At least I got a good closing quote, even
>> if it was a little tweaked in the story.
> Perhaps in
> "The ASF ... said that there was no need for additional donations"
> we should have been more compassionate.

If you have the magic spell that causes reporters to always quote you 
accurately and completely, please do let me (and especially Sally) know! 
  I was not given a chance to review the story text before posting.

> AIUI the business model used by TDF and TeamOOo requires donations.
> Statements like this damage our relationship with potential downstream
> consumers, and risk reducing ecological diversity.
> A key goal should be to encourage the development of a rich and deep
> office office ecosystem.

I'm not sure I'd say "Key goal", but yes, that's a good thing overall.

> I would feel much more comfortable adopting
> the position that "Apache does not need or use cash donations to fund
> development but encourages exciting and innovative downstream efforts
> of all kinds and understands that some not-for-profit players need
> donations right away to get keep hacking".

Personally, I'd prefer to focus on what we need to do, and that we're 
happy to work with any other willing communities.  The point is that the 
ASF does not have an urgent need of more funding to help the Apache 
OpenOffice podling continue operations, nor will more funding directly 
help them create a release sooner/with more features/whatever.

And - separately - I'm still wondering why Team OpenOffice e.V. chose 
the specific wording in their fundraising release, and wondering why 
they haven't officially communicated with Apache lists about it.  I have 
to admit that lack of communication is... quite disappointing.

> But maybe some good could come out of this. Why not get together to
> release a statement clarifying who needs donations right now, why and
> what cool stuff they are going to fund with the cash? (Something
> positive with as many potential players as possible...)
> (Personally, I would love to see the FSF enter the ring with a
> downstream GPL GNUberOffice integrating emacs, R, GIMP etc)

We need to focus on working on our mission and telling our stories.  I'm 
confident other organizations will find their own ways forward.  (On the 
official level, at least; if you want to go blog about new ideas for 
collaboration please do!)

- Shane

> Robert

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