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From J├╝rgen Schmidt <>
Subject Re: References to "Apache OpenOffice"
Date Tue, 26 Jun 2012 14:38:42 GMT
On 6/26/12 4:07 PM, Rob Weir wrote:
> On Tue, Jun 26, 2012 at 9:47 AM, Andrea Pescetti <> wrote:
>> Dave Fisher wrote:
>>> Wearing my IPMC and PPMC hats. I've changed blog entry titles. Sorry
>>> for our oversight (or lack). Thanks for yours.
>> Was it really necessary? In the meantime, Rob had edited the blog entries to
>> insert:
>> (Apache OpenOffice is currently undergoing Incubation at the Apache Software
>> Foundation.)
>> and this seems a good trade-off to me, much more than adding "(incubating)"
>> to the title, which will confuse users, especially non-native speakers (but
>> also native speakers won't always be able to guess what "incubating" means
>> in this context).
> +1.
> In fact, if you look at the IPMC's requirements for this, they are
> here:
> "Naming
> After a podling has been approved, the lists are created, and the
> initial code drop has commenced, the podling MUST be referred to as
> Apache "Podling-Name" AND mention that the project is under
> Incubation. Suitable mentions include:
> --     Inclusion of the"podling-name" URL
> ---    Apache "Podling-Name" is currently undergoing Incubation at the
> Apache Software Foundation.
> Other references may only be used upon prior approval by the Incubator
> PMC. These statements only need to be disclosed upon the first
> reference in a document."
> Note that two incubation-disclaimers are given, and that neither one
> of them are what Dave did.

I am wondering as well and I agree that it was somewhat superfluous. But
we shouldn't stress it any longer and should focus on the right actions
forward to graduate.

I think that is the best thing we can do... I personally don't have
interest in any further teaching lesson.


>> Honestly, I'd be for linking "undergoing Incubation" (in the clauses Rob
>> added) to Don's post or
>> some more official explanation, and removing "(incubating)" from the titles.
>> This would give all interested parties the opportunity to discover what
>> "incubating" means, which is probably the rationale behind the rule to use
>> "(incubating)" everywhere, and at the same time would keep titles easily
>> readable.
> +1
> One issue, I think, is that users have no idea what "(incubating)"
> means.  I had one user write me and joke about aliens in pods.   We
> shouldn't be leading with out-of-context internal Apache process
> jargon.  Perhaps that is why the Podling Branding Guide makes the
> suggestions it does, and which I had already made to the post.
> -Rob
>> Regards,
>>  Andrea.

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