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From Rob Weir <robw...@apache.org>
Subject Re: Apache OpenOffice in Fedora 19?
Date Thu, 07 Feb 2013 12:46:10 GMT
On Thu, Feb 7, 2013 at 7:26 AM, janI <jani@apache.org> wrote:
> On 7 February 2013 13:20, Rob Weir <robweir@apache.org> wrote:
>
>> On Thu, Feb 7, 2013 at 3:13 AM, J├╝rgen Schmidt <jogischmidt@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> > On 2/7/13 8:59 AM, Andrea Pescetti wrote:
>> >> Rob Weir wrote:
>> >>> But I would have trademark concerns if a statement like this installed
>> >>> anything but OpenOffice:
>> >>> sudo yum install openoffice.org
>> >>
>> >> It doesn't. But indeed the openoffice.org alias has been discussed and
>> I
>> >> hope we can get it reassigned or dropped without invoking trademarks.
>> >> Anyway, it is not one of the technically problematic aliases but just a
>> >> convenience alias, so it can be addressed after we have packages ready.
>> >>
>> >
>> > We should argue that the aliases came from OpenOffice and that they were
>> > hijacked if you want by LibreOffice. They even used the package name in
>> > the past to install LibreOffice and not OpenOffice. We tolerated it
>> > because we had no updated version in place with the latest security
>> > fixes. But that's it and the game changed, we have a current version and
>> > will provide future versions.
>> >
>>
>> It comes down to user confusion.  We've already seen users confused by
>> this, where they think they are installing OpenOffice and instead get
>> something else.  This is classic trademark infringement.  You can't
>> offer bottles of Coca-Cola for to consumers and then fill the bottles
>> with Pepsi.
>>
> If it is so classic, then  for sure the ASF laywers could inform Fedora
> about the problem, and ask them to correct it, independently of whether or
> not AOO is distribtuted. I assume that since they are the distributors they
> need to make sure that their contributors uses valid trademarks.
>
> This might be a problem on other distros as well.
>
> Or is life not as simple as I think ?
>

I wouldn't start with the lawyers.  But we could start by expressing concern.

Another option is to give them written permission to use the trademark
for that limited purpose.

But the dangerous thing is to let someone use the trademark in an
improper way and then do nothing. That is how one can lose a
trademark.

-Rob

> rgds
> Jan I
>
>>
>> > And again changing soffice means much more work and I really don't see
>> > why we should change it because they belong to OpenOffice.
>> >
>> > Some magic UNO bootstrap code used by UNO client applications used the
>> > soffice alias for example. Changing it would break potential client
>> > applications.
>> >
>> > The other aliases like oowriter are obvious where they come from, why
>> > should we change them?
>> >
>> > It is important to come back in distros but we should not easy give up
>> > what belongs to OpenOffice.
>> >
>> > Juergen
>> >
>> >
>>

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