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From "Dennis E. Hamilton" <>
Subject RE: INFO: OpenOffice help authoring
Date Fri, 26 Apr 2013 16:34:36 GMT
I favor the idea of rethinking the Help system.  I also think that it needs to be decoupled
as much as possible from the AOO 4 staging, doing the least that works for AOO 4.0.  The mechanism
should allow incremental upgrading and evolution that does not require synchronization with
releases in the AOO 4 line.

I for one, prefer the option of downloading and installing embedded help, to provide materials
that can be accessed when connectivity is inadequate.  Embedded help should not block movement
to on-line help for additional and potentially-later material though.

DANGER, DANGER: Home brew help systems tend to never be finished, the content tends to never
be full migrated and consistently maintained.  It would be useful to use something that is
as decoupled as possible from the product builds while providing some well-defined bridge
from contextual-help triggers.  A system with established endurance and open-source compatibility
would be ideal.  Perhaps it is time to look at DITA and well-established help-authoring aids.
 Important touch-points will be multi-lingual authoring, accessibility, and modularity of

 - Dennis


I notice that our LibreOffice cousins have separated out the embedded help as an independent
download.  That seems to be an appropriate way to shrink the main install.

These days, Microsoft Visual Studio Express Editions work in similar ways, although downloading
the embedded help is an option in the Help Menu.  This is pretty valuable because there are
so many help topics and developer components that may or may not be of interest.

Because of download difficulties, different client system capacities, the need to have media-installed
versions, etc., it would be great to have some user-controllable flexibility in this area.
 There is also reason for separate modularization to deal with localization and the availability
of content in different languages that is not in lock-step with each release and binary distribution.

I *don't* fancy embedded help that blocks access to on-line help.  These should not be exclusive
choices.  There needs to be more flexibility in that area.  

There might even need to be more granularity around help as well.  It could be a valuable
accompaniment for documentation, study guides, tutorials, and classroom usage, including provision
of exercises.  These days, the Help menu is often offered as a way to report troubles, access
communities (forums and wikis), etc.

Another important consideration with regard to embedded/on-line help has to do with version
dependencies and having information that is correct for the product being used.  That is going
to be important depending on the feature roll-out for the AOO 4 line.  It needs some way not
to interfere with those who have a requirement for such information on the AOO 3 line and

Going to a new Help system is always tricky.  Using an HTML-based help model has great appeal
because it means that embedded and on-line help can rely on similar authoring.  It also helps
having embedded help work with a plug-in that can obtain independent updates of content, even
multi-lingual content.  This is a different version-consistency issue.

It seems necessary to start simply and stay simple.  Use of standard formats that don't require
much documentation is important.  The on-ramp for authors and translators needs to be very
low friction.  For the coordination of product, embedded help, and on-line help content and
providing contextual help, there might be a valuable case for use of RDF metadata [;<)
... eventually.

PS: In 2000, I earned a certificate for help authoring.  It was with an eye to a new help
format that Microsoft was proposing to introduce beyond its HTML Help system.  Didn't happen
and I found other things to do in the meantime.

PPS: Commercial Help authoring systems are very pricey and very silo-like.  It would be great
to have something better, simpler, and easier to integrate while avoiding diversion into a
costly home-brew effort.

-----Original Message-----
From: J├╝rgen Schmidt [] 
Sent: Friday, April 26, 2013 04:18
Subject: INFO: OpenOffice help authoring


I tried to find some info (thanks to Ariel for some additional pointers)
about our help format and the help authoring tooling. If somebody has
the time and interest to dive deeper in this material here are the
pointers I have so far.

As mentioned earlier I have also investigated in the helpauthoring
extension that is probably useful to maintain and/or create help files.

A version (including the template) can be found under

Nevertheless should we start thinking about a replacement and using a
real online help as preferred solution. And an offline help version as
optional download... Something like that, it would reduce the install
package a lot


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