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From Dave Fisher <w...@apache.org>
Subject Re: Unnecesary filestructure on images
Date Sun, 11 Aug 2013 21:30:12 GMT


Sent from my iPhone

On Aug 11, 2013, at 3:52 PM, Alexandro Colorado <jza@oooes.org> wrote:

> On Sun, Aug 11, 2013 at 2:58 PM, Dave Fisher <wave@apache.org> wrote:
> 
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> On Aug 11, 2013, at 2:26 PM, Alexandro Colorado <jza@oooes.org> wrote:
>> 
>>> On Sun, Aug 11, 2013 at 11:22 AM, Dave Fisher <wave@apache.org> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>> 
>>>> On Aug 11, 2013, at 1:35 AM, Alexandro Colorado <jza@oooes.org> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> I think the image structure on the website is a bit messy, there has
>> been
>>>>> some cleanup done by kschenk but I think there is still a lot of clean
>> up
>>>>> work to be done.
>>>>> 
>>>>> For example, the new logo, was simply draged and drop to the AOOLogos
>>>>> folder with a huge name. I understand the name was needed to identify
>> it
>>>>> between the rest of the competitive logos. But now that is selected,
>> the
>>>>> current name is unecessary long.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Apache_OpenOffice_Logo_ChrisR_selected_2013-06_optim_300w.png<
>> http://svn.apache.org/viewvc/openoffice/ooo-site/trunk/content/images/AOO_logos/Apache_OpenOffice_Logo_ChrisR_selected_2013-06_optim_300w.png?view=log
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> At the same time we have old logos which had been untouch. I think the
>>>>> webdevs have small understanding of a svn is builted so that the files
>>>> are
>>>>> updated without having different versions laying arround.
>>>> 
>>>> This is not so. I can assure you that I completely understand SVN and
>> VCS.
>>>> 
>>>> Choices were made to be non disruptive. Changing logos for the site is
>>>> handled in exactly one spot. This means different names for different
>>>> versions is entirely appropriate.
>>> 
>>> ​I can't imagine this 'non disruptive' happening in code as well and
>> having
>>> different librarries with different classes and different names attached
>> to
>>> the libraries. Like all of the sudden you have 5 ColumnControlWindow.cxx
>> it
>>> would now be ColumnControlWindow_joes_selected_20130218.cxx attached to
>>> previous 5 different alternatives of the .cxx file. ​
>> 
>> We are discussing the website and the work that Kay and I did during the
>> move to Apache. Remember you referred to webdevs not understanding svn.
> 
> ​Ok I understand how this came to be now, and I can see the point on legacy
> files. However this practice would eventually need some reorganization.
> Hopefully this reorganization is today.
> 
> 
>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> Over this
>>>>> example, ooo-logo.png and
>>>>> AOO4_website_logo.png<
>> http://svn.apache.org/viewvc/openoffice/ooo-site/trunk/content/images/AOO_logos/AOO4_website_logo.png?view=log
>>>>> exist.
>>>> 
>>>> The logos differ. The names differ.
>>> 
>>> ​The logos are outdated and obosolete, they should only exist in the
>>> revsion history, and maybe on a different archieved section with a more
>>> detailed metadata instead of cludgy filename. Something like:
>>> 
>>> svn log:
>>> logo.png  rev123222 AOO 4 for website selected from contest...
>>>            rev123221 AOO logo 3.4.1 under apache brand
>>>            rev123220 OOo Oracle branding for .. ​
>> 
>> Kay has proposed and created a canonical location for logos and original
>> art. You suggested that some standards for sizes and names be applied, we
>> await a concrete proposal.
> 
> There are two different locations for the logos at the moment afaik,
> $root/images/ and $root/marketing/art/galleries/logos/aoo-working/​
> 
> The second one is for art-related activities, and I can see how handling
> multiple work would make use of a large file name.
> 
> For the first one, which are webdev related, I don't see the benefit of
> holding such filenames or even multiple filenames. So yes, a cannonical
> location and standarized convention for  the different rasterize images as
> well as a clear distinction to the source file.
> 
> for unknown reasons, I am unable to access cwiki, getting a permission
> error to even see my own profile in confluence. I dont see a component for
> infra on bugzilla, should it go on Jira?
> 

There may be a Apache infra wiki upgrade in progress. I'm traveling and will check later.

Or you can on irc.

Regards,
Dave

> 
> 
>> 
>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> If we are looking to provide a canonical path to a single current logo
>> for
>>>> third party use then that is a different question
>>>> 
>>>>> All these proliferation of logos, usually will built up to become
>>>>> incredibly messy to work. I suggest to put the information such as
>>>> author,
>>>>> version, status, etc. on the comments of the commit and not on the
>>>>> filename.
>>>> 
>>>> I agree that the name is long, changing it would be simple, but to what?
>>> 
>>> ​Is unnecesary long.​ K.I.S.S. PNG and SVG have metadata exactly for
>> issues
>>> like this. Imagemagic can just do something like
>>> 
>>> convert logo.png -set Title "Apache OpenOffice 4" -set Author "ChrisR"
>> logo.png
>>> 
>>> identify -verbose logo.png |grep Title
>>> 
>>>  Title: Apache OpenOffice 4
>> http://blog.client9.com/2007/08/editing-png-metadata-from-command-line.html
>> 
>> Add it to a list of proposed actions to be discussed.
>> 
>> The cwiki is provided for this purpose.
>> 
>> I don't disagree, but it is absolutely necessary to proceed in an open
>> manner.
>> 
>> Regards,
>> Dave
>> 
>> 
>>> ​
>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Author is the committer and if they are representing others contribution
>>>> then they can easily indicate that is so.
>>>> 
>>>> If creating a PNG based on an SVG then include the SVG path in the
>> comment.
>>>> 
>>>>> Likewise to take the time to look for the source of the image,
>>>>> since there is an SVG/ folder to link the source of them, and finally
>> if
>>>>> there are different images (sizes) to have a common convention.
>>>> 
>>>> If you would like to discuss common conventions and sizes then please
>>>> create a cwiki page and start a new thread.
>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> If you want to review the images please go here:
>> http://svn.apache.org/viewvc/openoffice/ooo-site/trunk/content/images/AOO_logos/
>>>> 
>>>> Regards,
>>>> Dave
>>>>> 
>>>>> --
>>>>> Alexandro Colorado
>>>>> Apache OpenOffice Contributor
>>>>> http://www.openoffice.org
>>>> 
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>>> 
>>> --
>>> Alexandro Colorado
>>> Apache OpenOffice Contributor
>>> http://www.openoffice.org
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> 
> -- 
> Alexandro Colorado
> Apache OpenOffice Contributor
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