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From Jürgen Schmidt <jogischm...@gmail.com>
Subject Re: Websites headers (forum, wiki, main site, ...)
Date Tue, 20 Aug 2013 06:34:48 GMT
On 8/19/13 10:56 PM, Ricardo Berlasso wrote:
> 2013/8/19 Jürgen Schmidt <jogischmidt@gmail.com>
> 
>> On 8/19/13 1:43 PM, Rob Weir wrote:
>>> On Sun, Aug 18, 2013 at 5:24 PM, Ricardo Berlasso <rgb.mldc@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>>> (top posting)
>>>>
>>>> User SLV-es from ES forums proposed a new logo
>>>>
>>>>
>> http://forum.openoffice.org/es/forum/download/file.php?id=3924&mode=view
>>>>
>>>
>>> Why aren't we just using the proper AOO logo, the same one we use on
>>> the website, the blog, the wiki, etc.?  If we can do that then the
>>> user will understand that this is an official website.  Consistency is
>>> good for this.  And then you can have a text title that says
>>> "Community Support Forum" or something like that.
>>
>> exactly I do not understand either this discussion, why not using the
>> new existing one. Maybe tweaked to fit in the forum header
>>
> 
> 
> Note that I'm not in favour of using a different logo on forums, but that
> I'm not particularly in favour of using the same either. I think there is a
> difference between "consistent branding" and "plain homogeneity" and that
> there is room for small changes without loosing the "branding" (underlining
> _small_).
> 
> IMO, the discussion about the forum logo have two background points. The
> first one is historical: forums used a custom logo since the beginning.
> This is not bad for itself... nor good: it's just a fact.
> 
> The second point is more "technical": with the blue background the official
> logo will be lost. There are two ways of solving this, a change on forum
> header background or a custom logo: the solution used up to now.
> 
> User SLV-es created a new proposal (uploaded on the issue):
> 
> http://forum.openoffice.org/es/forum/download/file.php?id=3926&mode=view
> 
> Basically, it's the official logo with the addition of the lifesaver to
> emphasise the idea of "help". I find the concept nice, but that's just me ;)

I saw this already and think it serves well for this purpose

Juergen


> 
> Regards
> Ricardo
> 
> 
> 
> 
>>
>> Juergen
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -Rob
>>>
>>>
>>>> On his own words, it needs some work but IMO it shows an interesting
>> tweak,
>>>> maintaining both, colours and fonts from original logo but with a
>> variant
>>>> that suggest "help" (the main forum purpose).
>>>>
>>>> I suggested the author to attach his proposal to the issue.
>>>>
>>>> Regards
>>>> Ricardo
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> 2013/8/12 Rob Weir <robweir@apache.org>
>>>>
>>>>> On Sun, Aug 11, 2013 at 6:13 PM, Ricardo Berlasso <rgb.mldc@gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> 2013/8/11 Alexandro Colorado <jza@oooes.org>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Sun, Aug 11, 2013 at 4:22 PM, Dave Fisher <wave@apache.org>
>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Aug 11, 2013, at 3:54 PM, Alexandro Colorado <jza@oooes.org>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Sun, Aug 11, 2013 at 3:16 PM, Dave Fisher <wave@apache.org>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Aug 11, 2013, at 3:04 PM, Alexandro Colorado <jza@oooes.org>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> There is also other sites like extensions, www
and
>>>>>>>> openoffice.apache.org
>>>>>>>>>> ,
>>>>>>>>>>> blog, templates. We have a new logo, which means
the sites need
>>>>> to be
>>>>>>>>>>> updated.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Since AOO hasn't really mature to the old OOo
days where there
>>>>> was a
>>>>>>>>>>> dedicated webdev project to handle all sites,
is clear there
>>>>> needs to
>>>>>>>> be
>>>>>>>>>>> some initiative from somewhere to perform this
mantainance.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> So the status is:
>>>>>>>>>>> blog, www, extensions and oo@apache.org have
the new logo
>>>>>>>>>>> templates, forum, wiki, forum index still on
the old logo or
>> don't
>>>>>>> have
>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>> previous logo at all.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I develop an incremental adaptation of the logo
to perform a
>>>>> similar
>>>>>>>> font
>>>>>>>>>>> to the new logo which uses Sans Pro. But kept
the 3 gulls
>> artwork.
>>>>>>>> Andrea
>>>>>>>>>>> recomended to replace the 3 gulls with the orb.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Why would you change the font? And what did you change
it too?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=122998#c0
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The bugzilla does not answer my question.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> You used two fonts what are they and what is the license?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> IIRC open sans is Apache licensed. Why change?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I think you missread, they were change into Sans Pro. Please
look at
>> the
>>>>>>> source SVG for 1 to 1 comparison from legacy to new one based
on the
>>>>>>> current AOO Logo.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Adobe's Source Sans Pro font is OLF licensed while, as Dave said,
open
>>>>> sans
>>>>>> is Apache Licensed. IMO, if you changed from open sans to source
sans
>> pro
>>>>>> then Dave's question is perfectly valid.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> So we're all on the same page:  the AOO 4.0 Logo uses Source Sans Pro.
>>>>>  This must not be changed without discussion and PMC approval.  If the
>>>>> idea is to update the old forum/wiki headers to use Source Sans Pro
>>>>> and new logo elements, then this sounds like the right direction.
>>>>>
>>>>> -Rob
>>>>>
>>>>>> Regard
>>>>>> Ricardo
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> An issue has been put in place on bugzilla #122998
with all the
>>>>>>> samples
>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>> sources.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, Aug 11, 2013 at 2:52 PM, Hagar Delest
<
>>>>>>>> hagar.delest@laposte.net
>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> The question was raised in another thread
but better have a
>>>>>>> dedicated
>>>>>>>>>> one.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> What is the status with the headers exactly?
A user will
>>>>> certainly
>>>>>>>>>> visit 3
>>>>>>>>>>>> areas first: the main site, then the wiki
and the forum. Today
>>>>> they
>>>>>>>>>> have 3
>>>>>>>>>>>> different headers. As pointed out by Andrea,
we need a
>> consistent
>>>>>>>>>> branding
>>>>>>>>>>>> to give users a kind of security feeling.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I've made a dedicated topic in the forum
showing the 3 current
>>>>>>> headers
>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>>> a proposal I've made very quickly:
>>>>> http://forum.openoffice.org/**
>>>>>>>>>>>> en/forum/viewtopic.php?f=50&t=**63523<
>>>>>>>>>> http://forum.openoffice.org/en/forum/viewtopic.php?f=50&t=63523>
>>>>>>>>>>>> No need to register to see it so have a look.
>>>>>>>>>>>> The point is: we should have the same branding
(icon + text) at
>>>>>>> least
>>>>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>>>>>> every areas, at the same location.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Hagar
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>> Alexandro Colorado
>>>>>>>>>>> Apache OpenOffice Contributor
>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.openoffice.org
>>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>> Alexandro Colorado
>>>>>>>>> Apache OpenOffice Contributor
>>>>>>>>> http://www.openoffice.org
>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> Alexandro Colorado
>>>>>>> Apache OpenOffice Contributor
>>>>>>> http://www.openoffice.org
>>>>>>>
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