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From Ricardo Berlasso <rgb.m...@gmail.com>
Subject Re: Websites headers (forum, wiki, main site, ...)
Date Tue, 20 Aug 2013 19:44:54 GMT
2013/8/20 Rob Weir <robweir@apache.org>

> On Mon, Aug 19, 2013 at 4:56 PM, Ricardo Berlasso <rgb.mldc@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > 2013/8/19 J├╝rgen Schmidt <jogischmidt@gmail.com>
> >
> >> On 8/19/13 1:43 PM, Rob Weir wrote:
> >> > On Sun, Aug 18, 2013 at 5:24 PM, Ricardo Berlasso <rgb.mldc@gmail.com
> >
> >> wrote:
> >> >> (top posting)
> >> >>
> >> >> User SLV-es from ES forums proposed a new logo
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >>
> http://forum.openoffice.org/es/forum/download/file.php?id=3924&mode=view
> >> >>
> >> >
> >> > Why aren't we just using the proper AOO logo, the same one we use on
> >> > the website, the blog, the wiki, etc.?  If we can do that then the
> >> > user will understand that this is an official website.  Consistency is
> >> > good for this.  And then you can have a text title that says
> >> > "Community Support Forum" or something like that.
> >>
> >> exactly I do not understand either this discussion, why not using the
> >> new existing one. Maybe tweaked to fit in the forum header
> >>
> >
> >
> > Note that I'm not in favour of using a different logo on forums, but that
> > I'm not particularly in favour of using the same either. I think there
> is a
> > difference between "consistent branding" and "plain homogeneity" and that
> > there is room for small changes without loosing the "branding"
> (underlining
> > _small_).
> >
> > IMO, the discussion about the forum logo have two background points. The
> > first one is historical: forums used a custom logo since the beginning.
> > This is not bad for itself... nor good: it's just a fact.
> >
> > The second point is more "technical": with the blue background the
> official
> > logo will be lost. There are two ways of solving this, a change on forum
> > header background or a custom logo: the solution used up to now.
> >
>
> I'd consider the header as a whole to be the topic of discussion.
> This consists of a background color, graphical elements and text.  I'd
> much prefer for the AOO logo to be used in the original form.  If left
> aligned this gives a lot of space in the header to do other things.
> For example, if we want that lifesaver graphic, maybe that could be
> the three o's in Community Support Forum?  Or it could be a graphic
> right aligned?
>


Not bat. Maybe the lifesaver with the text "community forum" to the right.
That add the problem of positioning the search box, though.



>
> But I think we want to use the AOO logo prominently, to reenforce in
> the mind of the user that they are on an official website.  As you
> know there are so many potentially damaging websites out there
> pretending to be OpenOffice websites.  We need to train our users to
> understand when they are on an official website.  The branding is a
> key part of this.
>


Sounds reasonable for me.

Regards
Ricardo




>
> Regards,
>
> -Rob
>
>
> > User SLV-es created a new proposal (uploaded on the issue):
> >
> > http://forum.openoffice.org/es/forum/download/file.php?id=3926&mode=view
> >
> > Basically, it's the official logo with the addition of the lifesaver to
> > emphasise the idea of "help". I find the concept nice, but that's just
> me ;)
> >
> > Regards
> > Ricardo
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >>
> >> Juergen
> >>
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > -Rob
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >> On his own words, it needs some work but IMO it shows an interesting
> >> tweak,
> >> >> maintaining both, colours and fonts from original logo but with a
> >> variant
> >> >> that suggest "help" (the main forum purpose).
> >> >>
> >> >> I suggested the author to attach his proposal to the issue.
> >> >>
> >> >> Regards
> >> >> Ricardo
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> 2013/8/12 Rob Weir <robweir@apache.org>
> >> >>
> >> >>> On Sun, Aug 11, 2013 at 6:13 PM, Ricardo Berlasso <
> rgb.mldc@gmail.com>
> >> >>> wrote:
> >> >>>> 2013/8/11 Alexandro Colorado <jza@oooes.org>
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>> On Sun, Aug 11, 2013 at 4:22 PM, Dave Fisher <wave@apache.org>
> >> wrote:
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>
> >> >>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
> >> >>>>>>
> >> >>>>>> On Aug 11, 2013, at 3:54 PM, Alexandro Colorado <jza@oooes.org>
> >> >>> wrote:
> >> >>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>> On Sun, Aug 11, 2013 at 3:16 PM, Dave Fisher <wave@apache.org>
> >> >>> wrote:
> >> >>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
> >> >>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>> On Aug 11, 2013, at 3:04 PM, Alexandro Colorado
<jza@oooes.org
> >
> >> >>>>> wrote:
> >> >>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>> There is also other sites like extensions,
www and
> >> >>>>>> openoffice.apache.org
> >> >>>>>>>> ,
> >> >>>>>>>>> blog, templates. We have a new logo, which
means the sites
> need
> >> >>> to be
> >> >>>>>>>>> updated.
> >> >>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>> Since AOO hasn't really mature to the old
OOo days where there
> >> >>> was a
> >> >>>>>>>>> dedicated webdev project to handle all
sites, is clear there
> >> >>> needs to
> >> >>>>>> be
> >> >>>>>>>>> some initiative from somewhere to perform
this mantainance.
> >> >>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>> So the status is:
> >> >>>>>>>>> blog, www, extensions and oo@apache.org
have the new logo
> >> >>>>>>>>> templates, forum, wiki, forum index still
on the old logo or
> >> don't
> >> >>>>> have
> >> >>>>>>>> the
> >> >>>>>>>>> previous logo at all.
> >> >>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>> I develop an incremental adaptation of
the logo to perform a
> >> >>> similar
> >> >>>>>> font
> >> >>>>>>>>> to the new logo which uses Sans Pro. But
kept the 3 gulls
> >> artwork.
> >> >>>>>> Andrea
> >> >>>>>>>>> recomended to replace the 3 gulls with
the orb.
> >> >>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>> Why would you change the font? And what did
you change it too?
> >> >>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>> https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=122998#c0
> >> >>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>
> >> >>>>>> The bugzilla does not answer my question.
> >> >>>>>>
> >> >>>>>> You used two fonts what are they and what is the license?
> >> >>>>>>
> >> >>>>>> IIRC open sans is Apache licensed. Why change?
> >> >>>>>>
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>> I think you missread, they were change into Sans Pro. Please
look
> at
> >> the
> >> >>>>> source SVG for 1 to 1 comparison from legacy to new one
based on
> the
> >> >>>>> current AOO Logo.
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> Adobe's Source Sans Pro font is OLF licensed while, as Dave
said,
> open
> >> >>> sans
> >> >>>> is Apache Licensed. IMO, if you changed from open sans to source
> sans
> >> pro
> >> >>>> then Dave's question is perfectly valid.
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>
> >> >>>
> >> >>> So we're all on the same page:  the AOO 4.0 Logo uses Source Sans
> Pro.
> >> >>>  This must not be changed without discussion and PMC approval.
 If
> the
> >> >>> idea is to update the old forum/wiki headers to use Source Sans
Pro
> >> >>> and new logo elements, then this sounds like the right direction.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> -Rob
> >> >>>
> >> >>>> Regard
> >> >>>> Ricardo
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>> An issue has been put in place on bugzilla
#122998 with all
> the
> >> >>>>> samples
> >> >>>>>>>> and
> >> >>>>>>>>> sources.
> >> >>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>> On Sun, Aug 11, 2013 at 2:52 PM, Hagar
Delest <
> >> >>>>>> hagar.delest@laposte.net
> >> >>>>>>>>> wrote:
> >> >>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>>> The question was raised in another
thread but better have a
> >> >>>>> dedicated
> >> >>>>>>>> one.
> >> >>>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>>> What is the status with the headers
exactly? A user will
> >> >>> certainly
> >> >>>>>>>> visit 3
> >> >>>>>>>>>> areas first: the main site, then the
wiki and the forum.
> Today
> >> >>> they
> >> >>>>>>>> have 3
> >> >>>>>>>>>> different headers. As pointed out by
Andrea, we need a
> >> consistent
> >> >>>>>>>> branding
> >> >>>>>>>>>> to give users a kind of security feeling.
> >> >>>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>>> I've made a dedicated topic in the
forum showing the 3
> current
> >> >>>>> headers
> >> >>>>>>>> and
> >> >>>>>>>>>> a proposal I've made very quickly:
> >> >>> http://forum.openoffice.org/**
> >> >>>>>>>>>> en/forum/viewtopic.php?f=50&t=**63523<
> >> >>>>>>>>
> http://forum.openoffice.org/en/forum/viewtopic.php?f=50&t=63523>
> >> >>>>>>>>>> No need to register to see it so have
a look.
> >> >>>>>>>>>> The point is: we should have the same
branding (icon + text)
> at
> >> >>>>> least
> >> >>>>>>>> for
> >> >>>>>>>>>> every areas, at the same location.
> >> >>>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>>> Hagar
> >> >>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>
> >> >>>
> >>
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> >> >>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>> --
> >> >>>>>>>>> Alexandro Colorado
> >> >>>>>>>>> Apache OpenOffice Contributor
> >> >>>>>>>>> http://www.openoffice.org
> >> >>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>
> >> >>>
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> >> >>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>> --
> >> >>>>>>> Alexandro Colorado
> >> >>>>>>> Apache OpenOffice Contributor
> >> >>>>>>> http://www.openoffice.org
> >> >>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>
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> >> >>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>> --
> >> >>>>> Alexandro Colorado
> >> >>>>> Apache OpenOffice Contributor
> >> >>>>> http://www.openoffice.org
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>
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