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From Donald Whytock <dwhyt...@gmail.com>
Subject Re: Should download pages *require* Javascript?
Date Tue, 20 Aug 2013 18:12:53 GMT
On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 5:29 AM, sebb <sebbaz@gmail.com> wrote:

> On 20 August 2013 01:20, Rob Weir <robweir@apache.org> wrote:
> > On Mon, Aug 19, 2013 at 6:39 PM, Marcus (OOo) <marcus.mail@wtnet.de>
> wrote:
> >> Am 08/19/2013 09:51 PM, schrieb sebb:
> >>
> >>> On 19 August 2013 20:27, Rob Weir<robweir@apache.org>  wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> On Mon, Aug 19, 2013 at 2:14 PM, Andrea Pescetti<pescetti@apache.org>
> >>>> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On 19/08/2013 sebb wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Note that the page http://www.openoffice.org/download/other.htmlalso
> >>>>>> requires Javascript!
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> This is not so good. The noscript option should direct the user
to
> >>>>> http://www.apache.org/dyn/aoo-closer.cgi/openoffice/
> >>>>> (users who disable JavaScript are likely to be able to browse the
> >>>>> FTP-like
> >>>>> structure they will see there).
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> Whatever method is chosen, I think it should be possible to
download
> >>>>>> AOO without the use of Javascript.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> It should also be possible to download OpenOffice in the cases where
> >>>>> JavaScript parsing breaks, i.e., we should have alternative download
> >>>>> links
> >>>>> that are always visible (working JavaScript, broken Javascript,
no
> >>>>> JavaScript).
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> I think this is the key insight.  There are actually three cases to
> >>>> consider:
> >>>>
> >>>> 1) Java script disabled
> >>>>
> >>>> 2) Javascript is supported, but not working with our page
> >>>>
> >>>> 3) Javascript working fine.
> >>>>
> >>>> Some of the more recent reports are about #2.  These are older
> >>>> versions of Internet Explorer, e.g., I.E. 6.  A<noscript>  block
will
> >>>> not help in this case.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> But if it is possible to detect the broken Javascript without
> >>> crashing, then it would be possible to treat the browser as if it did
> >>> not have Javascript.
> >>
> >>
> >> Right, has anybody an idea how to detect such broken JS engines?
> >>
> >
> > From this test it looks like the main issue is Internet Explorer before
> I.E. 8:
> >
> > http://browsershots.org/http://www.openoffice.org/download/
> >
> > One approach is to see if you can code around that error and get it to
> > work correctly on older I.E. installs.
> >
> > Another approach is to use one of these techniques to detect older
> > I.E. and then fall back to a non-script page:
> >
> > http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ms537509%28v=vs.85%29.aspx
>
> It might also be possible to use the HTTP headers User-Agent and
> Accepts-Language as a backstop for when Javascript is not available.
> This might need some Infra config support.
>
> > -Rob
> >
> >> Marcus
>

Just me-too-ing here...I can't get to the download list right now from my
office, with IE8, scripting disabled and a somewhat draconian firewall.  I
can get to SourceForge, though.

Should there be an "If that doesn't work, click here" link, perhaps
pointing to...?

http://sourceforge.net/projects/openofficeorg.mirror/files/4.0.0/binaries/

Don

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