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From Dave Fisher <w...@apache.org>
Subject Re: Unnecesary filestructure on images
Date Sun, 11 Aug 2013 19:58:10 GMT


Sent from my iPhone

On Aug 11, 2013, at 2:26 PM, Alexandro Colorado <jza@oooes.org> wrote:

> On Sun, Aug 11, 2013 at 11:22 AM, Dave Fisher <wave@apache.org> wrote:
> 
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> On Aug 11, 2013, at 1:35 AM, Alexandro Colorado <jza@oooes.org> wrote:
>> 
>>> I think the image structure on the website is a bit messy, there has been
>>> some cleanup done by kschenk but I think there is still a lot of clean up
>>> work to be done.
>>> 
>>> For example, the new logo, was simply draged and drop to the AOOLogos
>>> folder with a huge name. I understand the name was needed to identify it
>>> between the rest of the competitive logos. But now that is selected, the
>>> current name is unecessary long.
>>> 
>>> Apache_OpenOffice_Logo_ChrisR_selected_2013-06_optim_300w.png<
>> http://svn.apache.org/viewvc/openoffice/ooo-site/trunk/content/images/AOO_logos/Apache_OpenOffice_Logo_ChrisR_selected_2013-06_optim_300w.png?view=log
>>> 
>>> 
>>> At the same time we have old logos which had been untouch. I think the
>>> webdevs have small understanding of a svn is builted so that the files
>> are
>>> updated without having different versions laying arround.
>> 
>> This is not so. I can assure you that I completely understand SVN and VCS.
>> 
>> Choices were made to be non disruptive. Changing logos for the site is
>> handled in exactly one spot. This means different names for different
>> versions is entirely appropriate.
> 
> ​I can't imagine this 'non disruptive' happening in code as well and having
> different librarries with different classes and different names attached to
> the libraries. Like all of the sudden you have 5 ColumnControlWindow.cxx it
> would now be ColumnControlWindow_joes_selected_20130218.cxx attached to
> previous 5 different alternatives of the .cxx file. ​

We are discussing the website and the work that Kay and I did during the move to Apache. Remember
you referred to webdevs not understanding svn.

> 
> 
>> 
>>> Over this
>>> example, ooo-logo.png and
>>> AOO4_website_logo.png<
>> http://svn.apache.org/viewvc/openoffice/ooo-site/trunk/content/images/AOO_logos/AOO4_website_logo.png?view=log
>>> exist.
>> 
>> The logos differ. The names differ.
> 
> ​The logos are outdated and obosolete, they should only exist in the
> revsion history, and maybe on a different archieved section with a more
> detailed metadata instead of cludgy filename. Something like:
> 
> svn log:
> logo.png  rev123222 AOO 4 for website selected from contest...
>             rev123221 AOO logo 3.4.1 under apache brand
>             rev123220 OOo Oracle branding for .. ​
> 

Kay has proposed and created a canonical location for logos and original art. You suggested
that some standards for sizes and names be applied, we await a concrete proposal.


> 
> 
>> 
>> If we are looking to provide a canonical path to a single current logo for
>> third party use then that is a different question
>> 
>>> All these proliferation of logos, usually will built up to become
>>> incredibly messy to work. I suggest to put the information such as
>> author,
>>> version, status, etc. on the comments of the commit and not on the
>>> filename.
>> 
>> I agree that the name is long, changing it would be simple, but to what?
> 
> ​Is unnecesary long.​ K.I.S.S. PNG and SVG have metadata exactly for issues
> like this. Imagemagic can just do something like
> 
> convert logo.png -set Title "Apache OpenOffice 4" -set Author "ChrisR" logo.png
> 
> identify -verbose logo.png |grep Title
> 
>   Title: Apache OpenOffice 4
> 
> ​​
> 
> ​http://blog.client9.com/2007/08/editing-png-metadata-from-command-line.html

Add it to a list of proposed actions to be discussed.

The cwiki is provided for this purpose.

I don't disagree, but it is absolutely necessary to proceed in an open manner.

Regards,
Dave


> ​
> 
>> 
>> Author is the committer and if they are representing others contribution
>> then they can easily indicate that is so.
>> 
>> If creating a PNG based on an SVG then include the SVG path in the comment.
>> 
>>> Likewise to take the time to look for the source of the image,
>>> since there is an SVG/ folder to link the source of them, and finally if
>>> there are different images (sizes) to have a common convention.
>> 
>> If you would like to discuss common conventions and sizes then please
>> create a cwiki page and start a new thread.
>> 
>>> 
>>> If you want to review the images please go here:
>> http://svn.apache.org/viewvc/openoffice/ooo-site/trunk/content/images/AOO_logos/
>> 
>> Regards,
>> Dave
>>> 
>>> --
>>> Alexandro Colorado
>>> Apache OpenOffice Contributor
>>> http://www.openoffice.org
>> 
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> 
> -- 
> Alexandro Colorado
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