From dev-return-40605-apmail-openoffice-dev-archive=openoffice.apache.org@openoffice.apache.org Tue Aug 20 06:35:25 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: apmail-openoffice-dev-archive@www.apache.org Delivered-To: apmail-openoffice-dev-archive@www.apache.org Received: from mail.apache.org (hermes.apache.org [140.211.11.3]) by minotaur.apache.org (Postfix) with SMTP id DC931108D0 for ; Tue, 20 Aug 2013 06:35:25 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 28959 invoked by uid 500); 20 Aug 2013 06:35:24 -0000 Delivered-To: apmail-openoffice-dev-archive@openoffice.apache.org Received: (qmail 28778 invoked by uid 500); 20 Aug 2013 06:35:16 -0000 Mailing-List: contact dev-help@openoffice.apache.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Post: List-Id: Reply-To: dev@openoffice.apache.org Delivered-To: mailing list dev@openoffice.apache.org Received: (qmail 28769 invoked by uid 99); 20 Aug 2013 06:35:15 -0000 Received: from athena.apache.org (HELO athena.apache.org) (140.211.11.136) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Tue, 20 Aug 2013 06:35:15 +0000 X-ASF-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.3 required=5.0 tests=FREEMAIL_REPLY,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS X-Spam-Check-By: apache.org Received-SPF: pass (athena.apache.org: domain of jogischmidt@gmail.com designates 74.125.82.53 as permitted sender) Received: from [74.125.82.53] (HELO mail-wg0-f53.google.com) (74.125.82.53) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Tue, 20 Aug 2013 06:35:10 +0000 Received: by mail-wg0-f53.google.com with SMTP id c11so15083wgh.20 for ; Mon, 19 Aug 2013 23:34:49 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=XizZ2wCWa7m9cEC9Gkrrk5lK3pqaxNBgNrzpt4IgHLw=; b=g7Tv0EUkCqvBJObX3KmwGn8gFFOPwQE86eZi71p50UxINDir4xqatJg5VJFMBLZ8Gy vIY/uXzZ29ALSgniMw89fVzdeazsbHfhXlwAHLIq27AfJnoKlMpfH/xzffFlV5ReMWX0 9yxxzeFScbwoeIH+CK+nCVAgm57N3wOiQiXCBewzKQ9MdC7iMrrx+FhWmoJP2+bufdUe SiKlbxSg/zlr4Pai0dfEKAuuxHj4HluXOrG+HJU6FlL3PXeEdq8w7ejd32sbv6OCFt8V yDYjX8mo2UR5qLhTxSAL3DMNhrhYad6IsOxAvfuW+pGpnN1SKfx73cxUfswOuUV9Cayr GIbA== X-Received: by 10.180.205.163 with SMTP id lh3mr10957139wic.27.1376980489529; Mon, 19 Aug 2013 23:34:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [9.155.188.116] (deibp9eh1--blueice2n2.emea.ibm.com. [195.212.29.172]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id iz19sm85376wic.9.1969.12.31.16.00.00 (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Mon, 19 Aug 2013 23:34:48 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <52130E08.8040803@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2013 08:34:48 +0200 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?J=FCrgen_Schmidt?= User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.7; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130801 Thunderbird/17.0.8 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dev@openoffice.apache.org Subject: Re: Websites headers (forum, wiki, main site, ...) References: <5207EB84.7000602@laposte.net> <169B7691-A881-44CA-B890-9A67A9B0BEB4@apache.org> <521224CD.6060302@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: X-Enigmail-Version: 1.5.2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Virus-Checked: Checked by ClamAV on apache.org On 8/19/13 10:56 PM, Ricardo Berlasso wrote: > 2013/8/19 Jürgen Schmidt > >> On 8/19/13 1:43 PM, Rob Weir wrote: >>> On Sun, Aug 18, 2013 at 5:24 PM, Ricardo Berlasso >> wrote: >>>> (top posting) >>>> >>>> User SLV-es from ES forums proposed a new logo >>>> >>>> >> http://forum.openoffice.org/es/forum/download/file.php?id=3924&mode=view >>>> >>> >>> Why aren't we just using the proper AOO logo, the same one we use on >>> the website, the blog, the wiki, etc.? If we can do that then the >>> user will understand that this is an official website. Consistency is >>> good for this. And then you can have a text title that says >>> "Community Support Forum" or something like that. >> >> exactly I do not understand either this discussion, why not using the >> new existing one. Maybe tweaked to fit in the forum header >> > > > Note that I'm not in favour of using a different logo on forums, but that > I'm not particularly in favour of using the same either. I think there is a > difference between "consistent branding" and "plain homogeneity" and that > there is room for small changes without loosing the "branding" (underlining > _small_). > > IMO, the discussion about the forum logo have two background points. The > first one is historical: forums used a custom logo since the beginning. > This is not bad for itself... nor good: it's just a fact. > > The second point is more "technical": with the blue background the official > logo will be lost. There are two ways of solving this, a change on forum > header background or a custom logo: the solution used up to now. > > User SLV-es created a new proposal (uploaded on the issue): > > http://forum.openoffice.org/es/forum/download/file.php?id=3926&mode=view > > Basically, it's the official logo with the addition of the lifesaver to > emphasise the idea of "help". I find the concept nice, but that's just me ;) I saw this already and think it serves well for this purpose Juergen > > Regards > Ricardo > > > > >> >> Juergen >> >>> >>> >>> -Rob >>> >>> >>>> On his own words, it needs some work but IMO it shows an interesting >> tweak, >>>> maintaining both, colours and fonts from original logo but with a >> variant >>>> that suggest "help" (the main forum purpose). >>>> >>>> I suggested the author to attach his proposal to the issue. >>>> >>>> Regards >>>> Ricardo >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> 2013/8/12 Rob Weir >>>> >>>>> On Sun, Aug 11, 2013 at 6:13 PM, Ricardo Berlasso >>>>> wrote: >>>>>> 2013/8/11 Alexandro Colorado >>>>>> >>>>>>> On Sun, Aug 11, 2013 at 4:22 PM, Dave Fisher >> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Aug 11, 2013, at 3:54 PM, Alexandro Colorado >>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Sun, Aug 11, 2013 at 3:16 PM, Dave Fisher >>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Aug 11, 2013, at 3:04 PM, Alexandro Colorado >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> There is also other sites like extensions, www and >>>>>>>> openoffice.apache.org >>>>>>>>>> , >>>>>>>>>>> blog, templates. We have a new logo, which means the sites need >>>>> to be >>>>>>>>>>> updated. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Since AOO hasn't really mature to the old OOo days where there >>>>> was a >>>>>>>>>>> dedicated webdev project to handle all sites, is clear there >>>>> needs to >>>>>>>> be >>>>>>>>>>> some initiative from somewhere to perform this mantainance. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> So the status is: >>>>>>>>>>> blog, www, extensions and oo@apache.org have the new logo >>>>>>>>>>> templates, forum, wiki, forum index still on the old logo or >> don't >>>>>>> have >>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>> previous logo at all. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> I develop an incremental adaptation of the logo to perform a >>>>> similar >>>>>>>> font >>>>>>>>>>> to the new logo which uses Sans Pro. But kept the 3 gulls >> artwork. >>>>>>>> Andrea >>>>>>>>>>> recomended to replace the 3 gulls with the orb. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Why would you change the font? And what did you change it too? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=122998#c0 >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> The bugzilla does not answer my question. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> You used two fonts what are they and what is the license? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> IIRC open sans is Apache licensed. Why change? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I think you missread, they were change into Sans Pro. Please look at >> the >>>>>>> source SVG for 1 to 1 comparison from legacy to new one based on the >>>>>>> current AOO Logo. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Adobe's Source Sans Pro font is OLF licensed while, as Dave said, open >>>>> sans >>>>>> is Apache Licensed. IMO, if you changed from open sans to source sans >> pro >>>>>> then Dave's question is perfectly valid. >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> So we're all on the same page: the AOO 4.0 Logo uses Source Sans Pro. >>>>> This must not be changed without discussion and PMC approval. If the >>>>> idea is to update the old forum/wiki headers to use Source Sans Pro >>>>> and new logo elements, then this sounds like the right direction. >>>>> >>>>> -Rob >>>>> >>>>>> Regard >>>>>> Ricardo >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> An issue has been put in place on bugzilla #122998 with all the >>>>>>> samples >>>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>>>> sources. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, Aug 11, 2013 at 2:52 PM, Hagar Delest < >>>>>>>> hagar.delest@laposte.net >>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> The question was raised in another thread but better have a >>>>>>> dedicated >>>>>>>>>> one. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> What is the status with the headers exactly? A user will >>>>> certainly >>>>>>>>>> visit 3 >>>>>>>>>>>> areas first: the main site, then the wiki and the forum. Today >>>>> they >>>>>>>>>> have 3 >>>>>>>>>>>> different headers. As pointed out by Andrea, we need a >> consistent >>>>>>>>>> branding >>>>>>>>>>>> to give users a kind of security feeling. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> I've made a dedicated topic in the forum showing the 3 current >>>>>>> headers >>>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>>>>> a proposal I've made very quickly: >>>>> http://forum.openoffice.org/** >>>>>>>>>>>> en/forum/viewtopic.php?f=50&t=**63523< >>>>>>>>>> http://forum.openoffice.org/en/forum/viewtopic.php?f=50&t=63523> >>>>>>>>>>>> No need to register to see it so have a look. >>>>>>>>>>>> The point is: we should have the same branding (icon + text) at >>>>>>> least >>>>>>>>>> for >>>>>>>>>>>> every areas, at the same location. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Hagar >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>> >> ------------------------------**------------------------------**--------- >>>>>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscribe@openoffice.**apache.org >> < >>>>>>>>>> dev-unsubscribe@openoffice.apache.org> >>>>>>>>>>>> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-help@openoffice.apache.org >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>> Alexandro Colorado >>>>>>>>>>> Apache OpenOffice Contributor >>>>>>>>>>> http://www.openoffice.org >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscribe@openoffice.apache.org >>>>>>>>>> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-help@openoffice.apache.org >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>> Alexandro Colorado >>>>>>>>> Apache OpenOffice Contributor >>>>>>>>> http://www.openoffice.org >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscribe@openoffice.apache.org >>>>>>>> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-help@openoffice.apache.org >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> Alexandro Colorado >>>>>>> Apache OpenOffice Contributor >>>>>>> http://www.openoffice.org >>>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscribe@openoffice.apache.org >>>>> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-help@openoffice.apache.org >>>>> >>>>> >>> >>> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscribe@openoffice.apache.org >>> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-help@openoffice.apache.org >>> >> >> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscribe@openoffice.apache.org >> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-help@openoffice.apache.org >> >> > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscribe@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-help@openoffice.apache.org