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From Louis Suárez-Potts <>
Subject Re: 80 million downloads
Date Sun, 01 Dec 2013 16:00:35 GMT

On 01-Dec-2013, at 10:55, Rob Weir <> wrote:

> On Sun, Dec 1, 2013 at 10:49 AM, Hagar Delest <> wrote:
>> Le 01/12/2013 16:38, Rob Weir a écrit :
>>> I think you are confusing the perceptions within the echo-chamber of
>>> open source insiders with the reality in the real world.
>> But can't we use this echo-chamber too?
> I don't see the value.  Remember, for all the FUD, for all the
> LO-promoted press, for all the noise and negative campaigning against
> AOO, LO could not even keep the founding company and primary sponsor,
> Suse, from dropping their support of LibreOffice and reassigning their
> developers who worked on LibreOffice.  And again, look at the actual
> data, the downloads and the brand perception surveys.  The LO FUD
> might be personally offensive and disturbing to you.  But it has not
> been effective.  That's why I think a thick skin is needed to do
> marketing.  You need to look at data more than feelings.   If download
> numbers were declining then I'd feel bad.  If brand perception was
> declining then I'd feel bad.  But biased press articles inside the
> open source echo-chamber?  Who cares?  Dogs bark as well.  I try not
> to take it personally and focus instead on reality.

I agree with Rob. And one really really does need a thick skin. We, Rob and I, at least, and
probably many others reading this, have been personally attacked, if not (only) by LO's adherents,
then by, in my case, also Microsoft's, albeit long ago. (MSFT sings a sweeter tune now.) 

The attacks puzzle me. They also puzzled, as recently as last October, in Paris, some of LO's
founding members. Why the harshness, the vitriol? Why make it personal? (Why even have attacks
at all?)

But so it goes. 

> Regards,
> -Rob

>> But ok, that's to be discussed in the proposed discussion by Louis.
>> Hagar
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