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From Kay Schenk <kay.sch...@gmail.com>
Subject Re: 80 million downloads
Date Sun, 01 Dec 2013 23:03:55 GMT
On Sat, Nov 30, 2013 at 5:56 PM, Louis Suárez-Potts <luispo@gmail.com>wrote:

>
> On 30-Nov-2013, at 17:45, Kay Schenk <kay.schenk@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > On Sat, Nov 30, 2013 at 1:13 PM, Louis Suárez-Potts <luispo@gmail.com
> >wrote:
> >
> >> Hi,
> >>
> >> On 30-Nov-2013, at 16:06, Rob Weir <robweir@apache.org> wrote:
> >>
> >>> On Sat, Nov 30, 2013 at 12:44 PM, Hagar Delest <
> hagar.delest@laposte.net>
> >> wrote:
> >>>> Le 27/11/2013 20:23, Rob Weir a écrit :
> >>>>
> >>>>> Yesterday we reached 80,072,389 downloads.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Well, I also saw this:
> >>>> https://forum.openoffice.org/en/forum/viewtopic.php?f=49&t=62425(South
> >>>> Tyrol government to standardise on LibreOffice) and especially the
> quote
> >>>> from last post: "We opted for LibreOffice over OpenOffice because we
> >> think
> >>>> this gives us more guarantees. It has a more consistent and constantly
> >>>> growing community of developers and by statute has to be independent
> >> from
> >>>> corporations," Pfeifer said.
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>> 7000 desktops?  Really?  We get more than that many downloads every
> >>> *hour*, 24 hours a day, 365 days a year (on average).  Just because
> >>> our users are anonymous does not make them any less relevant.
> >>
> >> Quite.
> >>>
> >>>> LibO is getting more and more momentum (French referential uses LibO
> >> too,
> >>>> something that will be implemented in more and more institutions). I
> >> wonder
> >>>> why AOO doesn't report similar successes.
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>> South Tyrol has been migration to OpenOffice for nearly a decade now.
> >>> I remember seeing them give a presentation on this at the Orvietto
> >>> OpenOffice.org conference, for example.  Hopefully one of these years
> >>> they will complete this task.  But this is hardly news.
> >>>
> >>
> >> Indeed. In fact, their effort has gone in cycles, and those cycles seem
> to
> >> me related to the job tenacity of a few. Of more interest, as it
> relates to
> >> actualities, would be Munich's migration but also other cities' in
> Italy.
> >>
> >>
> >>>> Are we lacking marketing power? Or key people?
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>> It depends on what you are trying to accomplish.  Any one migrating to
> >>> a free office suite as part of a migration to Linux will either take
> >>> LibreOffice or Calligra.  If we want to give them the easy choice of
> >>> AOO as well then we need to get AOO packages for the distros.
> >>> Personally I don't think the Linux desktop is worth the effort.  That
> >>> is my personal view, and I don't force it on anyone else, but that's
> >>> my honest opinion.
> >>
> >> I agree with Rob.
> >
> >
> > but...as a Linux person, this is somewhat sad for me -- although I
> > personally have NO problems with installation. This said, the ease of
> > installation on Linux seems to depend a lot on how easy your distro makes
> > installing non-repo packages. My major concern at this point in the
> > continuation of Linux packaging for AOO in some form.
> >
>
> I think Rob means here that the effort to strongly market Linux in the
> face of corporate marketing muscle by Canonical is not worth it; that good
> Linux may also be reached by the high road, anyway. Besides, I personally
> think that Ubuntu's days are numbered, given the better alternatives out
> there and the very fast, very positive energies Linux engages.
>

I know what Rob is saying and we actually had a similar discussion a while
back with respect to a Fedora build/package. Once we/a volunteer decides to
package for a particular distro, how to keep up this maintenance....it's an
issue. What we are doing with respect to Linux distribution is perfectly
fine in my opinion, but it's sad it is not fine for others.

Some distros make it very difficult for the typical Linux end user to
install  anything NOT in the distro's repository. This is NOT why I
switched to Linux, I can assure you.


> (At any rate, that's what I would mean. Given the choice of OSs, for a lot
> of stuff I tend toward Linux. It's easier. But I tend then toward
> non-Canonical Linuxes. Even easier.)
>
> And try installing OOo in the latest Ubuntu *as a non-developer.* Tell us
> about it :-).
>

I have only used one Linux distro since I started. I do not use Ubuntu and
likely never will. I got away from MS because of all kinds of restrictions
and I don't need to trade one environment like that for another.


>
> best
> louis
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