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From Andrea Pescetti <pesce...@apache.org>
Subject Re: Suggested modifications to Open Office Draw
Date Sat, 18 Jan 2014 11:09:38 GMT
Forwarding Armin's answer (below) to Ian who is not subscribed. Andrea

On 16/01/2014 Armin Le Grand wrote:
>      Hi Ian,
>
> thanks for your suggestions, much appreciated. Some are pretty
> interesting. Comments inline...
>
> On 15.01.2014 20:27, Ian Symons wrote:
>> Ian
>> Symons
>> ian.symons@yahoo.com.au
>>
>> 15
>> Jan 2014
>>
>> dev@openoffice.apache.org
>>
>> RE:
>> Suggested modifications to Open Office Draw
>>
>> Hello,
>>
>> The
>> following suggestions generally have work around solutions, however
>> performing such is a real pain when these are common actions.
>>
>> 1.
>> Re
>> the ruler on the left side, please orientate the numbers
>> horizontally.
>> The
>> vertical numbering blends together and is unreadable.
>
> I have not seen it blend togethter, but I agree that these would be less
> irritating when done horizontally.
>
>>
>> 2.
>> Re
>> Snap Lines, Snap Points and Grid
>> a.
>> It
>> is a common error that when positioning lines and shapes that the
>> Snap Line or Snap Point is accidentally moved slightly.
>> This
>> is often not noticed immediately.
>> Please
>> provide an option to lock these Snaps into their set position.
>
> Doy you talk about
> - objects that get placed or
> - objects which help positioning (HelpLines, Grid, edges of existing
> objects, ...)
> here? If you have cases where there is a misplacement in snapping,
> please provide a reproducable example, this would be an error. Please
> note that snapping can be influenced while in action by pressing
> qualifiers (shift, ctrl, tab) and by changing snap features (see
> view/toolbars/options in draw).
> Note that you can create helplines with start to drag on the rulers,
> they even have an UI for setting them to precise positions.
>
>>
>> b.
>> It
>> would also be nice when dragging such Snaps that the X-Y co-ordinates
>> are displayed during the dragging,
>
> This is in the last line of the app at the left; a text and measurements
> dependent of the type of action is displayed.
> The idea to keep this after MouseUp for a defined time is nice,
> especially since the reason is very good.
>> and displayed for say 1 second
>> after the mouse button is released.
>> It
>> provides confirmation to the user that the setting was not altered
>> upon releasing the mouse button.
>>
>> c.
>> It
>> would be very good if the Snaps could be grouped with an object and:
>
> I do not understand if "Snaps" are the graphic objects or snap helper
> pobjects; of course graphic objects can be grouped.
>
>>
>> d.
>> that
>> upon copying and pasting onto another page that those Snaps are also
>> retained (the position would be relative to where you placed the
>> group on the page).
>
> Also not clear. The grid on the destinatopnmay be defined dofferent, do
> you want that to be changed when pasting?
>
>>
>> e.
>> I
>> do not know if there is already a way to do this, but it would be a
>> big help if when dragging Snaps that they would snap to the selected
>> grid.
>
> They do depending on the settings
>
>>
>> f.
>> And
>> I do not see any way to specify the grid divisions.
>> Again,
>> this would be a help.
>
> See tools/options/draw/grid
>>
>> 3.
>> Please
>> provide a line circular arc tool that lets you:
>> a. Specify the origin
>> (point of rotation)
>> b. Specify the radius
>> c. Specify the arc
>> begin angle
>> d. Specify the arc end
>> angle
>> e. Allows an option to
>> close the curve at the origin to create a segment
>
> In the drawing toolbar, use the rightmost dropdown from the toolbar
> itself, choose customize. Use "add", Seelct "drawing" left, add what you
> need. Best is to add "Ellipse", there are two, use the general one which
> adds another drop-down toolbox to the menu.
>
>>
>> 4.
>> Please
>> provide a line arc tool that lets you click on a line and convert it
>> to a circular arc – the point would appear at the centre of the
>> line and be dragged at a normal to the line
>> So
>> instead of Modify – To Curve you would also have Modify – To
>> Circular Curve
>
> You should be able to do that using the Points mode (see icon or press
> F8 in draw/impress) and using the bezier stuff.
>>
>> 5.
>> Please
>> provide an option to allow a line to be specified in two ways, shown
>> on the one dialog box
>> a. Origin, length and
>> angle
>> b. Begin point and end
>> point
>
> This is missing, only pos/size is available for the object, so if it's a
> line you can define the start/end point exactly.
>
>>
>> 6.
>> It
>> is a real major pain that intersecting lines cannot be selected and
>> fragmented at their intersecting point(s).
>> Please
>> fix this.
>
> Not possible with lines; would need to constuct filled objects including
> the lines, using substract and extract the results.
> Good suggestion to offer that with lines directly.
>
>> 7.
>> Please
>> make it easy to add onto a line by clicking onto a line, selecting an
>> end point, then selecting a line tool (line, arc, polygon) and then
>> just use that line tool to extend the original line.
>
> You can add/remove/edit points using the edit points toolbar
>>
>> 8.
>> Lastly,
>> I know this is not intended to be a 3D Cad program.
>> But
>> a few features would help.
>> a. Have the ability to
>> group several shapes before rotation.
>
> This is possible, group or just multi-select what you need
>
>> b. When the 3D view
>> comes up, have buttons to select the front, top, bottom and side
>> views (a total of 6 views).
>> c. This is a big one –
>> some ability to edit 3D shapes
>
> Yes, I would love to have 3D editing UI and capabilities. Help is needed
> here, as a start we would need someone with UI experience who makes
> suggestions. We would need some time and ressourecs for implementation.
> I would support this, but can not promise time for this.
>
> BTW: you have seen the 3D effects dialog in the context menu of 3D
> scenes, have you?
> And I hope you know that in AOO you can enter/leave 3D svened as you can
> with 2d Groups, so quite some editing is possible in 3D already,
> especially when you switch the view to non-perspective first (in the
> dialog again).
>
>>
>> Thanks
>> everyone.
>> Best
>> regards,
>> Ian
>>
>
> Ian, thanks and no worries :-)
>
> --
> ALG
>
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