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From Sheran Corera <sherancor...@gmail.com>
Subject Re: [DISCUSS] Certification with LayUp - Open Office
Date Mon, 27 Jan 2014 17:33:16 GMT
Thanks Rob,

I will see how we can complete this as "Training Academy for Apache
OpenOffice".

Regards,
Sheran


On Tue, Jan 21, 2014 at 7:37 PM, Rob Weir <robweir@apache.org> wrote:

> On Tue, Jan 21, 2014 at 12:05 AM, Sheran Corera <sherancorera@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > Great! Thanks for the feedback.
> >
> > I had a discussion with our integration team, we would be happy to
> > contribute the effort required to create a course and provide an
> instance of
> > the platform - give it free of charge to users.
> >
> > However, we would like to brand this as "Apache Open Office Training
> > Academy" or similar - can we do this (with explicit permission from AOO
> as
> > per trademark policy) given that this is a community support effort, with
> > material offered for free, and does not violate ALv2?
> >
>
> Hi Sheran,
>
> You can read the official trademark policy for Apache here:
>
> http://www.apache.org/foundation/marks/
>
> Note that some things ("nominative use") require no further
> permission.  Beyond that you would need to request permission from the
> PMC.  In general we avoid using trademarks as adjectives.  So
> "Training Academy for Apache OpenOffice" might be OK, but not "Apache
> OpenOffice Training Academy".  The key is to make it clear what the
> source of the service is.
>
> Regards,
>
> -Rob
>
>
> > Regards,
> > Sheran
> >
> >
> > On Tue, Jan 21, 2014 at 2:25 AM, Rob Weir <robweir@apache.org> wrote:
> >>
> >> On Mon, Jan 20, 2014 at 2:59 PM, Sheran Corera <sherancorera@gmail.com>
> >> wrote:
> >> > Rob / Jani and all,
> >> >
> >> > What we would like to do, is to take this forward in partnership with
> >> > Open
> >> > Office in an official manner and run some courses on a rev-share or
> >> > similar
> >> > so that we can put effort into doing this as well and sell training to
> >> > users together with Open Office.
> >> >
> >> > Since this would then be partly a commercial effort, does this require
> >> > us
> >> > to send a formal proposal to the pmc or go into a vote or is there a
> >> > seperate process for this?
> >> >
> >>
> >> It might be worth giving a high-level description of what you had in
> >> mind, without spending too much effort and asking for PMC feedback.
> >> But as Jan mentioned, the ASF is a US-based non-profit corporation.
> >> So there are restrictions on what kinds of commercial partnerships we
> >> can engage in.   In particular I don't think we could be involved in
> >> selling training.
> >>
> >> Would it be interesting to have a free OpenOffice course that also is
> >> effective as a showcase of the LayUp platform?  That would fit better
> >> with our status and mission.
> >>
> >> Regards,
> >>
> >> -Rob
> >>
> >>
> >> > Please let me know.
> >> >
> >> > Thanks,
> >> > Sheran
> >> > On Jan 20, 2014 7:43 PM, "Isuru Hewavitharana" <
> >> > isuru.hewavitharana@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> Sheran / Rob,
> >> >>
> >> >> I have changed the logo and text as requested. Please do a cache
> >> >> refresh
> >> >> (CTRL + F5) and retry.
> >> >>
> >> >> Cheers!
> >> >> Isuru
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> On Mon, Jan 20, 2014 at 7:35 PM, Sheran Corera <
> sherancorera@gmail.com
> >> >> >wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> > Thanks Rob,
> >> >> >
> >> >> > As per the system, you can configure what courses you want to
keep
> >> >> > open /
> >> >> > closed / work according to the point system, so you can run say
3
> >> >> courses,
> >> >> > for beginners, intermediate, advanced so each user can select
which
> >> >> > level
> >> >> > to participate in.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > If it is felt that the users need validation (an assessment to
> gauge
> >> >> their
> >> >> > skill level) prior to selecting which course they should take,
that
> >> >> > can
> >> >> > integrated with ease as well from the back-end.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > A colleague, Isuru is on copy, he will change the logo asap in
> order
> >> >> > to
> >> >> not
> >> >> > violate any trademark policies.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Regards,
> >> >> > Sheran
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> > On Mon, Jan 20, 2014 at 7:12 PM, Rob Weir <robweir@apache.org>
> wrote:
> >> >> >
> >> >> > > On Mon, Jan 20, 2014 at 8:06 AM, Sheran Corera
> >> >> > > <sherancorera@gmail.com
> >> >> >
> >> >> > > wrote:
> >> >> > > > Re-posting to dev-list from documentation.
> >> >> > > >
> >> >> > > > Hi All,
> >> >> > > >
> >> >> > > > Going through the Open Office documentation, I noticed
the huge
> >> >> effort
> >> >> > > > taken on content creation and maintenance in each of
the
> >> >> > > > different
> >> >> > > > Wikis<http://www.openoffice.org/documentation/>
and
> >> >> > > > a separate effort to certify users via the certification
> >> >> > > > project<http://www.openoffice.org/certification/>
(which
> >> >> > > > is really great!).
> >> >> > > >
> >> >> > > > At LayUp <http://www.getlayup.com/?source=oa>,
we're working
> on
> >> >> > building
> >> >> > > > something similar (a gamified, retention oriented training
and
> >> >> > > > certification platform targeted entirely at software
products)
> >> >> > > > and we
> >> >> > > would
> >> >> > > > like to help take the online certification aspect to
the next
> >> >> > > > level
> >> >> and
> >> >> > > > setup a live demo.
> >> >> > > >
> >> >> > > > I've setup an online demo of what such a system could
look like
> >> >> > > > for
> >> >> > Open
> >> >> > > > Office
> >> >> > > >
> >> >> > > > URL - *Open Office Demo - LayUP
> >> >> > > > <http://www.getlayup.com/layup/index.php?site=demo2>*
> >> >> > > >
> >> >> > > > The login credentials for *user *and *admin *are as
follows -
> >> >> > > >
> >> >> > > > *Username* - user
> >> >> > > > *Password *- demo
> >> >> > > >
> >> >> > > > *Username *- admin
> >> >> > > > *Password *- demo
> >> >> > > >
> >> >> > > > We've taken a lot of effort into setting this up, so
instead of
> >> >> > > > just
> >> >> > > > spamming it, we would appreciate if someone can have
a look and
> >> >> > > > guide
> >> >> > us
> >> >> > > on
> >> >> > > > how we can take this forward.
> >> >> > > >
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > > I took a quick look.  I like the platform, nice and clear,
easy
> to
> >> >> > > use.  I think new users would like this.
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > > From a learning perspective it might be worth having an install
> >> >> > > module.  This would be platform-specific (Windows install
differs
> >> >> > > from
> >> >> > > Mac which differs from Linux).  But we do receive a good
deal of
> >> >> > > support questions related to install, so this might be an
area
> >> >> > > worth
> >> >> > > covering.
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > > I don't know if your platform allows it, but it would be
great if
> >> >> > > there was a way to take an initial test and based on test
results
> >> >> > > be
> >> >> > > placed into a higher rank automatically, rather than having
> >> >> > > everyone
> >> >> > > start at the same initial level.  That way it could be
> interesting
> >> >> > > for
> >> >> > > skill building of users who know a little, as well as absolute
> >> >> > > beginners.
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > > You'll need to give some attention to the trademark issues
> involved
> >> >> > > here as well.  You currently have it called "Apache OpenOffice
> >> >> > > Academy
> >> >> > > by Layup".  That name, plus the use of the Apache OpenOffice
> logo,
> >> >> > > suggests a certain relationship between the website and the
> >> >> > > OpenOffice
> >> >> > > project which could confuse users.  You can read more about
our
> >> >> > > trademark policy here:
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > > http://openoffice.apache.org/trademarks.html
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > > Note:  the speed for me was perfect.  No issues.  I'm near
> Boston.
> >> >> > > Jan is in Spain.  I wonder whether that could be part of
the
> issue?
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > > Regards,
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > > -Rob
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > > > The effort is much appreciated!
> >> >> > > >
> >> >> > > > Thanks,
> >> >> > > > Sheran
> >> >> > >
> >> >> >
> >> >>
> >
> >
>

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