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From Alexandro Colorado <...@oooes.org>
Subject Re: native-lang.html suggestions now in staging...
Date Mon, 04 Aug 2014 13:29:15 GMT
On 8/3/14, Kay Schenk <kay.schenk@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> On 07/30/2014 02:00 PM, Marcus (OOo) wrote:
>> Am 07/30/2014 10:50 PM, schrieb Kay Schenk:
>>>
>>>
>>> On 07/30/2014 01:44 PM, Marcus (OOo) wrote:
>>>> Am 07/30/2014 08:51 PM, schrieb Kay Schenk:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 07/30/2014 11:05 AM, Marcus (OOo) wrote:
>>>>>> Am 07/28/2014 09:43 PM, schrieb Marcus (OOo):
>>>>>>> Am 07/28/2014 07:07 PM, schrieb Kay Schenk:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 07/28/2014 01:05 AM, Tal Daniel wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Jul 28, 2014 at 2:35 AM, Kay Schenk<kay.schenk@gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On 07/26/2014 10:16 PM, Tal Daniel wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> Don't you think this page should exist elsewhere,
not on the
>>>>>>>>>>> site?
>>>>>>>>>>> maybe
>>>>>>>>>> on
>>>>>>>>>>> openoffice.apache.org>   native language section?
It's feels as
>>>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>>>> status
>>>>>>>>>>> page, rather than a page for visitors.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Tal
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I think it's just where it is for historical purposes,
and I see
>>>>>>>>>> your
>>>>>>>>>> point. We can move it.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Anyway, my "new" version is at:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> http://ooo-site.staging.apache.org/projects/native-lang-new.html
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Even after I suggested it, I'm not sure I'm 100%
happy with my
>>>>>>>>>> simpler
>>>>>>>>>> definitions. See the definition for "maintained".
The download
>>>>>>>>>> links
>>>>>>>>>> from these pages work, but some are NOT to a localized
download
>>>>>>>>>> due to
>>>>>>>>>> editing (by me some weeks ago) to at least get them
to some
>>>>>>>>>> correct
>>>>>>>>>> download area. :/ So, what to do with these gray
areas?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Nonactive/non-maintained websites will, eventually, be
removed
>>>>>>>>> from the
>>>>>>>>> language selection box;a call for volunteers is also
>>>>>>>>> appropriate, in
>>>>>>>>> order
>>>>>>>>> to revive such a website (another column?)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> yes...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> choosing the language from the drop-down-box is a fast and cheap
>>>>>>> way to
>>>>>>> come to unmaintained webpages that have the large hint (we have
to
>>>>>>> make
>>>>>>> this sure) to help to get it complete again.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> So, I think it would not be good to delete it from the selection.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Ok, I just changed the definitions slightly and corrected
some
>>>>>>>> errors
>>>>>>>> I'd made in assessment yesterday as well. This needs another
pair
>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>> eyes!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> again, at:
>>>>>>>> http://ooo-site.staging.apache.org/projects/native-lang-new.html
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Maybe we should take the content (current or outdated) and the
>>>>>>> work on
>>>>>>> it (maintained or help wanted) into account? With this we can
say,
>>>>>>> e.g.,
>>>>>>> "outdated + maintained". This means that the content is old but
>>>>>>> there is
>>>>>>> someone who is working on updates.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Here my further idea:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> current The website is OK and needs no help.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> outdated The website has old content and needs to be updated.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> maintained Someone is already actively working on the website.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> help wanted Volunteers are welcome to help updating the website.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> the discussion about formatting is all fine and all good. But without
>>>>>> content is doesn't matter, right? ;-)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Please can we first finalize the content. Then we can beautifying
the
>>>>>> webpage step by step.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Marcus
>>>>>
>>>>> That would be nice! :)
>
> Ok, back to these ideas above. In my mind --
>
> maintained -> current, and current -> maintained so these are one in the
> same from a logical standpoint despite nuances in definition.
>
> In a similar fashion, outdated -> unmaintained -> help wanted.
> So why not just call it "unmaintained" and provide some further
> explanation by what is meant by this versus a separate entry in the table.

So, not sure if the idea on having icons instead of terms was approved
or not. I heard people were welcoming of them. The license issue was
sorted out by using fontawesome but I still dont see the table with
the changes.

What is the case for *NOT* having these icons?


>
> Mostly, I am just trying to keep the maintenance and general
> understanding of this page simpler for everybody.
>
>
>>>>>
>>>>> I just put the page with the changes I made recently into production
>>>>> at:
>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.openoffice.org/projects/native-lang-new.html
>>>>>
>>>>> so it should be easy for others to make further changes.
>>>>
>>>> thats not what I wanted. IMHO we haven't finished our discussion about
>>>> status (and maybe further content).
>>>>
>>>> Marcus
>>>
>>> Well I will not be the least bit upset if you revert this change.
>>
>> ahm no ;-) What I meant is, we were in the discussion of the status, I
>> made a further suggestion (see above: current, outdated, maintained and
>> help wanted) and then it turnd into how to style the text.
>>
>> I just want to get the discussion back to the topic as IMHO we have not
>> an agreed text.
>>
>> Marcus
>>
>>
>>
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